Palestine college student protest megathread

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

How American to kick out people cause you don’t like what they’re saying

can you list the countries that are super welcoming to people who celebrate terrorism?

I can think of one country that used to be a major power that fits the bill, but I’d probably get infracted for naming it.

What? The only one I can think of is the Soviet Union/Russia which would not result in infraction obviously.

[Brittain33]

How American to kick out people cause you don’t like what they’re saying

can you list the countries that are super welcoming to people who celebrate terrorism?

I can think of one country that used to be a major power that fits the bill, but I’d probably get infracted for naming it.

What? The only one I can think of is the Soviet Union/Russia which would not result in infraction obviously.

I can give you a hint - there’s a running gag on Twitter that when someone posts the most vicious, nakedly racist anti-Semitic content about Israel/Palestine, if you check their location on Twitter, it’s inevitably the capital city. That’s all I’ll say.

[jamestroll]

Why Why Why Why Why

WHY

is the left so invested in Palestine? Their values are literally the opposite of progressives value.

Fight against ISRAEL but do not fight FOR Islamic values!

I don’t think someone’s humanity depends on whether they share my values.

Alright good point,

I'm seriously all for Palestine now. But these violent protests on college campuses must stop NOW

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

https://twitter.com/LittleMammith/status/1788015534753394766

it's hilarious how frequently the protestors either say ignorant things or run away from questions/cameras because they know they are going to say ignorant things.  And not even from the brave souls there trolling them, but from the friendly to them mainstream press too.

why are so many people protesting something that they don't understand?

https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1787213497908035650
https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1787214503077204307
Good thread that pretty much explains my thoughts on this issue.

[dead0man]

Good thread that pretty much explains my thoughts on this issue.

maybe.  What would happen if you asked a rando civil rights supporter in 1959 what they were marching for? Would they say something like "I'm here because it's not right that black folk and white folk can't go to school and shop together...ride the bus together. play little league, all the stuff" or would they run away or say amazingly stupid things?


and even if you're 100% correct, it doesn't make it not funny to outsiders.

[jojoju1998]

Good thread that pretty much explains my thoughts on this issue.

maybe.  What would happen if you asked a rando civil rights supporter in 1959 what they were marching for? Would they say something like "I'm here because it's not right that black folk and white folk can't go to school and shop together...ride the bus together. play little league, all the stuff" or would they run away or say amazingly stupid things?


and even if you're 100% correct, it doesn't make it not funny to outsiders.

The Civil Rights Movement of the 50s and 60s, had strong credibility through it's leadership. MLK, John Lewis, were not just.... men of moral character, but they were also pretty politically savvy, and had realistic goals in mind, and they were also astute intellectuals.


Who in the pro Palestinian movement in the US now has the pedigree, charisma, and the stature of MLK ?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Good thread that pretty much explains my thoughts on this issue.

maybe.  What would happen if you asked a rando civil rights supporter in 1959 what they were marching for? Would they say something like "I'm here because it's not right that black folk and white folk can't go to school and shop together...ride the bus together. play little league, all the stuff" or would they run away or say amazingly stupid things?


and even if you're 100% correct, it doesn't make it not funny to outsiders.

The Civil Rights Movement of the 50s and 60s, had strong credibility through it's leadership. MLK, John Lewis, were not just.... men of moral character, but they were also pretty politically savvy, and had realistic goals in mind, and they were also astute intellectuals.


Who in the pro Palestinian movement in the US now has the pedigree, charisma, and the stature of MLK ?

They were also very unpopular.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

If after six months of indiscriminately bombing a region with one of the highest population densities in the world and Israel has only killed 34,000 people then either the Israeli military sucks or they're not indiscriminately bombing people.

Well, on October 7th Hamas terrorists killed around 400 "legitimate targets" and 800 civilians and this was generally recognized as a brutal act of terror. In contrast, the most charitable estimate of the IDF's civilian-terrorist casualty ratio using their own numbers is no better than 2-1 and realistically is likely far worse than that.

So either the IDF are also terrorists or October 7th was actually a military operation conducted to the rigorous ethical standards of the "world's most moral army". The only real difference in conduct at this point is the scale of the brutality, and that point doesn't favour the IDF.

[jojoju1998]

Good thread that pretty much explains my thoughts on this issue.

maybe.  What would happen if you asked a rando civil rights supporter in 1959 what they were marching for? Would they say something like "I'm here because it's not right that black folk and white folk can't go to school and shop together...ride the bus together. play little league, all the stuff" or would they run away or say amazingly stupid things?


and even if you're 100% correct, it doesn't make it not funny to outsiders.

The Civil Rights Movement of the 50s and 60s, had strong credibility through it's leadership. MLK, John Lewis, were not just.... men of moral character, but they were also pretty politically savvy, and had realistic goals in mind, and they were also astute intellectuals.


Who in the pro Palestinian movement in the US now has the pedigree, charisma, and the stature of MLK ?

They were also very unpopular.

Sure, but they set the stones so that it would become popular. You get my point ?


These protests now might be popular, but they certainly will not have the long standing impact that the civil rights movement did.



You get my point ?

[dead0man]

If after six months of indiscriminately bombing a region with one of the highest population densities in the world and Israel has only killed 34,000 people then either the Israeli military sucks or they're not indiscriminately bombing people.

Well, on October 7th Hamas terrorists killed around 400 "legitimate targets" and 800 civilians and this was generally recognized as a brutal act of terror. In contrast, the most charitable estimate of the IDF's civilian-terrorist casualty ratio using their own numbers is no better than 2-1 and realistically is likely far worse than that.

So either the IDF are also terrorists or October 7th was actually a military operation conducted to the rigorous ethical standards of the "world's most moral army". The only real difference in conduct at this point is the scale of the brutality, and that point doesn't favour the IDF.

IF (big if) Hamas cared for Palestinians the same way the IDF cares about Israelis this would be an excellent point, but that is clearly not true.  In fact, Hamas actually desires civilian deaths.  It helps them gain sympathy from the useful idiots in the west who carry their water for them.  Pictures of women and children in rubble are far more effective weapons for them than rockets or bombs and they know this.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Exclusive: House Republicans Introduce Legislation To Send Hamas-Sympathizing Student Visa Holders Home

Tennessee Republican Rep. Andy Ogles introduced legislation Wednesday to send Hamas-sympathizing student visa holders home and told Hamas-Sympathizing student visa holders to “go study abroad in Gaza.”

The Daily Caller first obtained a copy of the legislation, which is titled the Study Abroad Act. The bill would specifically “revoke the F, J, or M visa” of any illegal immigrant who authorities have “arrested for rioting or unlawful protest,” or who authorities have “arrested while establishing, participating in, or promoting an encampment” at an institute of higher education.

“The ability to receive higher education in the United States is truly a privilege. Previously known for their prestige and unparalleled academics, many elite American universities have damaged their hard-earned reputations by opening their doors to impressionable terrorist sympathizers. In the last several weeks, our nation has seen these institutions overrun and terrorized by young people calling for a third intifada,” Ogles told the Caller before introducing the bill.

https://dailycaller.com/2024/05/08/exclusive-house-republicans-introduce-legislation-to-send-hamas-sympathizing-student-visa-holders-home/

How remarkably stupid do you have to be as an international student to join these protests? And some are even ILLEGAL immigrants, wtf. You are a guest in the country, be happy to be there as so many would love such an opportunity but aren't as priviledged.

You actually don’t need a new law for this as current law makes it illegal for people who are on visa to advocate for terrorist groups and specifically pro Palestinian ones .

Biden is simply not enforcing the law

The material support laws are overly broad (deliberately so) and unconstitutional from any reasonable perspective.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Exclusive: House Republicans Introduce Legislation To Send Hamas-Sympathizing Student Visa Holders Home

Tennessee Republican Rep. Andy Ogles introduced legislation Wednesday to send Hamas-sympathizing student visa holders home and told Hamas-Sympathizing student visa holders to “go study abroad in Gaza.”

The Daily Caller first obtained a copy of the legislation, which is titled the Study Abroad Act. The bill would specifically “revoke the F, J, or M visa” of any illegal immigrant who authorities have “arrested for rioting or unlawful protest,” or who authorities have “arrested while establishing, participating in, or promoting an encampment” at an institute of higher education.

“The ability to receive higher education in the United States is truly a privilege. Previously known for their prestige and unparalleled academics, many elite American universities have damaged their hard-earned reputations by opening their doors to impressionable terrorist sympathizers. In the last several weeks, our nation has seen these institutions overrun and terrorized by young people calling for a third intifada,” Ogles told the Caller before introducing the bill.

https://dailycaller.com/2024/05/08/exclusive-house-republicans-introduce-legislation-to-send-hamas-sympathizing-student-visa-holders-home/

How remarkably stupid do you have to be as an international student to join these protests? And some are even ILLEGAL immigrants, wtf. You are a guest in the country, be happy to be there as so many would love such an opportunity but aren't as priviledged.

You actually don’t need a new law for this as current law makes it illegal for people who are on visa to advocate for terrorist groups and specifically pro Palestinian ones .

Biden is simply not enforcing the law

The material support laws are overly broad (deliberately so) and unconstitutional from any reasonable perspective.

Not according to the Supreme Court

[All Along The Watchtower]

Exclusive: House Republicans Introduce Legislation To Send Hamas-Sympathizing Student Visa Holders Home

Tennessee Republican Rep. Andy Ogles introduced legislation Wednesday to send Hamas-sympathizing student visa holders home and told Hamas-Sympathizing student visa holders to “go study abroad in Gaza.”

The Daily Caller first obtained a copy of the legislation, which is titled the Study Abroad Act. The bill would specifically “revoke the F, J, or M visa” of any illegal immigrant who authorities have “arrested for rioting or unlawful protest,” or who authorities have “arrested while establishing, participating in, or promoting an encampment” at an institute of higher education.

“The ability to receive higher education in the United States is truly a privilege. Previously known for their prestige and unparalleled academics, many elite American universities have damaged their hard-earned reputations by opening their doors to impressionable terrorist sympathizers. In the last several weeks, our nation has seen these institutions overrun and terrorized by young people calling for a third intifada,” Ogles told the Caller before introducing the bill.

https://dailycaller.com/2024/05/08/exclusive-house-republicans-introduce-legislation-to-send-hamas-sympathizing-student-visa-holders-home/

How remarkably stupid do you have to be as an international student to join these protests? And some are even ILLEGAL immigrants, wtf. You are a guest in the country, be happy to be there as so many would love such an opportunity but aren't as priviledged.

You actually don’t need a new law for this as current law makes it illegal for people who are on visa to advocate for terrorist groups and specifically pro Palestinian ones .

Biden is simply not enforcing the law

The material support laws are overly broad (deliberately so) and unconstitutional from any reasonable perspective.

Not according to the Supreme Court

Hence “from any reasonable perspective.”

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

If after six months of indiscriminately bombing a region with one of the highest population densities in the world and Israel has only killed 34,000 people then either the Israeli military sucks or they're not indiscriminately bombing people.

Well, on October 7th Hamas terrorists killed around 400 "legitimate targets" and 800 civilians and this was generally recognized as a brutal act of terror. In contrast, the most charitable estimate of the IDF's civilian-terrorist casualty ratio using their own numbers is no better than 2-1 and realistically is likely far worse than that.

So either the IDF are also terrorists or October 7th was actually a military operation conducted to the rigorous ethical standards of the "world's most moral army". The only real difference in conduct at this point is the scale of the brutality, and that point doesn't favour the IDF.

IF (big if) Hamas cared for Palestinians the same way the IDF cares about Israelis this would be an excellent point, but that is clearly not true.  In fact, Hamas actually desires civilian deaths.  It helps them gain sympathy from the useful idiots in the west who carry their water for them.  Pictures of women and children in rubble are far more effective weapons for them than rockets or bombs and they know this.

The Israelis also put together a propaganda film of their dead and distributed it widely to gain sympathy from useful idiots in the West who carry water for them. They regularly give tours of the ruined kibbutzim to foreign bigwigs like Elon Musk and tell lurid tales about the atrocities Hamas committed there. Also, the standard of "caring about Palestinians the same way the IDF cares about Israelis" isn't nearly as high as you think it is considering their policy of assassinating Israelis taken hostage to prevent them from being used as leverage. Nor have they ever had any compunctions about murdering Jews when they get in the way of the state of Israel, just as Hamas has no problem murdering Palestinians who get in their way. The real difference between them and Hamas is that they get billions in military aid to crush their enemies and Hamas doesn't.

Anyway, this whole line of logic is both absurd and irrelevant. You easily argue that Stalin valued the lives of his soldiers and civilians less than Hitler valued the lives of "True Aryan Germans", does that make the Nazis the lesser evil?

[Fuzzy Bear]

How American to kick out people cause you don’t like what they’re saying

We don't let people into the country because we don't like what they're saying.  This includes proven Nazis, Communists,  Jihadic Terrorists, and many others.  And we don't allow their supporters in either.

Hamas is Jihadist Terrorism.  We would not allow pro-Hamas persons into the US if they weren't here.  Why should we allow people who actively support Jihadist Terrorism to remain in the country when they are not citizens, and especially if they are only here on a temporary visa?

When people who are not citizens and are here on a temporary Visa should "Death to America" or declare an Intifada on America, it's time for them to go.  We are under no obligation to assist in our own destruction as a nation.  We have enough nutty citizens.  We don't have to accommodate nutty foreigners, particularly when they wish our destruction and support a terrorist organization.

[Dr. MB]

How American to kick out people cause you don’t like what they’re saying

We don't let people into the country because we don't like what they're saying.  This includes proven Nazis, Communists,  Jihadic Terrorists, and many others.  And we don't allow their supporters in either.

Hamas is Jihadist Terrorism.  We would not allow pro-Hamas persons into the US if they weren't here.  Why should we allow people who actively support Jihadist Terrorism to remain in the country when they are not citizens, and especially if they are only here on a temporary visa?

When people who are not citizens and are here on a temporary Visa should "Death to America" or declare an Intifada on America, it's time for them to go.  We are under no obligation to assist in our own destruction as a nation.  We have enough nutty citizens.  We don't have to accommodate nutty foreigners, particularly when they wish our destruction and support a terrorist organization.

The United States is the most welcoming country for free speech. Why should the first amendment not apply to foreign nationals?

[Beet]

Biden's comments today are proof these college kids are rocking and shaking the world. The president of the most powerful empire the world has ever known is shifting. These kids and others have to keep it up until Israel is forced by overwhelming international pressure to come back to the negotiating table.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Biden's comments today are proof these college kids are rocking and shaking the world. The president of the most powerful empire the world has ever known is shifting. These kids and others have to keep it up until Israel is forced by overwhelming international pressure to come back to the negotiating table.

Israel did not leave the negotiating table until Hamas tried to propose a deal that would allow them to shoot all the hostages before returning them without violating the deal.

[HisGrace]

If after six months of indiscriminately bombing a region with one of the highest population densities in the world and Israel has only killed 34,000 people then either the Israeli military sucks or they're not indiscriminately bombing people.

Well, on October 7th Hamas terrorists killed around 400 "legitimate targets" and 800 civilians and this was generally recognized as a brutal act of terror. In contrast, the most charitable estimate of the IDF's civilian-terrorist casualty ratio using their own numbers is no better than 2-1 and realistically is likely far worse than that.

So either the IDF are also terrorists or October 7th was actually a military operation conducted to the rigorous ethical standards of the "world's most moral army". The only real difference in conduct at this point is the scale of the brutality, and that point doesn't favour the IDF.

The difference is that Hamas started the conflict and is thus the aggressor. None of this would be happening if Hamas cared more about the wellbeing of Palestinians than killing Jews. The US and British inflicted 30x the number of civilian casualties on the Germany and Japan than what they took, never once in my life heard anyone suggest that was unjustified because the Axis started the war. The person who hits second doesn't have to be proportionate.

[HisGrace]

Biden's comments today are proof these college kids are rocking and shaking the world. The president of the most powerful empire the world has ever known is shifting. These kids and others have to keep it up until Israel is forced by overwhelming international pressure to come back to the negotiating table.

Israel did not leave the negotiating table until Hamas tried to propose a deal that would allow them to shoot all the hostages before returning them without violating the deal.

At this point I don't think there are that many actual hostages left, Hamas has probably just been killing them which is why they've been dragging their feet about returning them this whole time. There's no one to return.

[HisGrace]

While I don't want to deport anyone based on political opinions either, gotta love Atlas red avs only caring about free speech when it comes to defending terrorists. If this was deporting a European immigrant for being a white nationalist and using the n word on social media or something none of you would have a problem with it. The issue is that you like Hamas, not that you care about free speech for the first time ever.

[Indy Texas]

How American to kick out people cause you don’t like what they’re saying

can you list the countries that are super welcoming to people who celebrate terrorism?

I can think of one country that used to be a major power that fits the bill, but I’d probably get infracted for naming it.

What? The only one I can think of is the Soviet Union/Russia which would not result in infraction obviously.

I can give you a hint - there’s a running gag on Twitter that when someone posts the most vicious, nakedly racist anti-Semitic content about Israel/Palestine, if you check their location on Twitter, it’s inevitably the capital city. That’s all I’ll say.

Pakistan?

[Fuzzy Bear]

How American to kick out people cause you don’t like what they’re saying

We don't let people into the country because we don't like what they're saying.  This includes proven Nazis, Communists,  Jihadic Terrorists, and many others.  And we don't allow their supporters in either.

Hamas is Jihadist Terrorism.  We would not allow pro-Hamas persons into the US if they weren't here.  Why should we allow people who actively support Jihadist Terrorism to remain in the country when they are not citizens, and especially if they are only here on a temporary visa?

When people who are not citizens and are here on a temporary Visa should "Death to America" or declare an Intifada on America, it's time for them to go.  We are under no obligation to assist in our own destruction as a nation.  We have enough nutty citizens.  We don't have to accommodate nutty foreigners, particularly when they wish our destruction and support a terrorist organization.

The United States is the most welcoming country for free speech. Why should the first amendment not apply to foreign nationals?

The First Amendment applies to persons.  The First Amendment does not guarantee persons the right to remain in the US or become citizens if they are not going to be loyal citizens.  (And Hamas sympathizers, by virtue of their proclamations of Intifida and "Death to America" clearly signal their intent to not be loyal.

We won't throw them in jail for their speech, but their speech can impeach their character to the point where we can conclude that they are not fit to be citizens, and that they do not intend to be loyal Americans.  And past loyalties are not "speech"; they are "conduct"; a member of Hamas (there or here) has defined themself as an enemy of America.  We do not have to take in our enemies.

I would also state that the problem with the current demonstrations on campus in support of Hamas is about conduct; it's about False Imprisonment, Criminal Mischief, assault, battery, and other crimes.
That's not protected speech, but that IS what is happening.  (And, yes, these demonstrations are pro-Hamas; that's who's running the show in Gaza.)  People have the right to be stupid in America in their speech and lots of people on all ends of the political spectrum take advantage of that, but the right to be stupid and offensive does not include behavior that infringes on the rights to life, liberty, and property of others.

[Brittain33]

How American to kick out people cause you don’t like what they’re saying

can you list the countries that are super welcoming to people who celebrate terrorism?

I can think of one country that used to be a major power that fits the bill, but I’d probably get infracted for naming it.

What? The only one I can think of is the Soviet Union/Russia which would not result in infraction obviously.

I can give you a hint - there’s a running gag on Twitter that when someone posts the most vicious, nakedly racist anti-Semitic content about Israel/Palestine, if you check their location on Twitter, it’s inevitably the capital city. That’s all I’ll say.

Pakistan?

That’s the home or ancestral home of many of these posters, but I was thinking more of a top immigration destination.

[jojoju1998]

How American to kick out people cause you don’t like what they’re saying

We don't let people into the country because we don't like what they're saying.  This includes proven Nazis, Communists,  Jihadic Terrorists, and many others.  And we don't allow their supporters in either.

Hamas is Jihadist Terrorism.  We would not allow pro-Hamas persons into the US if they weren't here.  Why should we allow people who actively support Jihadist Terrorism to remain in the country when they are not citizens, and especially if they are only here on a temporary visa?

When people who are not citizens and are here on a temporary Visa should "Death to America" or declare an Intifada on America, it's time for them to go.  We are under no obligation to assist in our own destruction as a nation.  We have enough nutty citizens.  We don't have to accommodate nutty foreigners, particularly when they wish our destruction and support a terrorist organization.

The United States is the most welcoming country for free speech. Why should the first amendment not apply to foreign nationals?

The First Amendment applies to persons.  The First Amendment does not guarantee persons the right to remain in the US or become citizens if they are not going to be loyal citizens.  (And Hamas sympathizers, by virtue of their proclamations of Intifida and "Death to America" clearly signal their intent to not be loyal.

We won't throw them in jail for their speech, but their speech can impeach their character to the point where we can conclude that they are not fit to be citizens, and that they do not intend to be loyal Americans.  And past loyalties are not "speech"; they are "conduct"; a member of Hamas (there or here) has defined themself as an enemy of America.  We do not have to take in our enemies.

I would also state that the problem with the current demonstrations on campus in support of Hamas is about conduct; it's about False Imprisonment, Criminal Mischief, assault, battery, and other crimes.
That's not protected speech, but that IS what is happening.  (And, yes, these demonstrations are pro-Hamas; that's who's running the show in Gaza.)  People have the right to be stupid in America in their speech and lots of people on all ends of the political spectrum take advantage of that, but the right to be stupid and offensive does not include behavior that infringes on the rights to life, liberty, and property of others.

A vast portion of these protesters are white rich kids born and bred here in America.


Better take a look at ourselves and ask ourselves, what we're teaching these kids.