COVID-19 Megathread 5: The Trumps catch COVID-19

[Mr. Reactionary]

anyone else wanting to go out and join one of these protests against the quarantine? heard there was one in Nashville today, should have gone but I was tied up in Knox :<

You should buy a bullhorn off of Amazon and and drive someone around yelling "martial law!" Out the window. That complies with the 6 foot hyperdeath zone rules.

[Mr. Reactionary]

My verysmall apartment building has only 6 units, amd one of those is for storage. Out of the 4 that aren't storage, last night one had a veruy small social gathering, one may or may not have had a guest over, and the third apartment had a guest over that then proceeded to visit the fourth apartment.

Canada is more culturally American than I ever cared to admit. Our stupidity and narcissism is unacceptably high
 Our prime minister needs to go on TV, out hus political career second and his country first, and tel these traitors in no uncertain terms that they will stop or they will be forced to stop. We haven't even flattened our curve yet.

Spies on neighbor
Sees guest
"TRAITORS!"

You should call 911 next time, Mrs. Kravitz. Maybe leave passive aggressive notes on their car like "I know what you did last sunday!" Cutting their tires limits them being in public. Write down their license plate # and doxx them to their boss ... I see it now "One of your employees isn't who you think ... he's actually a TRAITOR who went to a friend's house last night. Wait why are you laughing?"

If Justy goes on TV and says that you are a traitor who should be in jail for having company, expect laughter.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Mrs. Kravitz

Qu'est-ce que c'est? (what is this?)

Gladys Kravitz is a similar type of neighbor. You know ...

"Abner! Abner! The neighbors are standing with 6 feet of each other in their own backyard!"

[Mr. Reactionary]

SARS-COV-2 might be here to stay as it becomes endemic.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-may-be-here-to-stay

Projections by specialists suggest that periodical physical distancing measures may become a necessity if the new coronavirus becomes a seasonal occurrence.

In the study paper, which appears in the journal Science, the researchers explain that it is likely that the new coronavirus will become endemic, with infections ebbing and flowing throughout the coming years. The same happens with cold and flu viruses.

This being the case, the authors suggest that physical distancing may become an intermittent requirement until 2022.

To understand how transmission patterns of SARS-CoV-2 might evolve, the researchers looked to the dynamics of two seasonal coronaviruses: beta-coronaviruses OC43 and HKU1. These are two common human coronaviruses that cause cold-like symptoms.

According to the team’s simulation, infections with SARS-CoV-2 might also become a seasonal occurrence, as is the case with the other beta-coronaviruses that infect humans.

Because there are currently no vaccines or targeted treatments for infections with the new coronavirus, the researchers project that on-and-off physical distancing may be a necessary measure over the next couple of years. This is to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed.

“What seems to be necessary in the absence of other sorts of treatments are intermittent [physical] distancing periods,” says Kissler.

The investigators emphasize the need to strike a balance between healthcare capacity and economic resources on a case-by-case basis.

On the one hand, they say that some transmission of the virus may create a level of herd immunity, which could reduce its impact.

“By permitting periods of transmission that reach higher prevalence than otherwise would be possible, they allow an accelerated acquisition of herd immunity,” notes study co-author Prof. Marc Lipsitch.

On the other hand, too-stringent physical distancing measures might mean that humans cannot establish herd immunity at all, which would make a resurgence of the virus particularly problematic.

According to the study paper, “longer and more stringent temporary [physical] distancing did not always correlate with greater reductions in epidemic peak size.”

In other words, this study wants to move the goalposts so far we can't even see them anymore.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Why is it whenever something like this happens, there always has to be conspiracy theories that flare up?

There are conspiracy theories for everything.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Am I the only person who legit thinks dine-in restaurants, malls, and theaters are done after this?

Hopefully.

[Mr. Reactionary]

https://twitter.com/raywert/status/1252949333772820480?s=20

Yeah, I doubt you'll see numbers like that if we r still locked down in June. Especially when we were all sold the bill of goods on the understanding that our common goal was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed in the months of march and April. We'll all still get it they said, the goal isn't to prevent infections, thats impossible, we just need to flatten the curve immediately to give them an extra month to prepare. That was what was preached. Now its "well if we ever open up again without a vaccine they'll be overrun so this is indefinite now. Dont worry, we'll get you lovely welfare checks ... but dont dare protest... or go vote."

That's why we keep saying the goal posts are moving. We were told flatten the curve for march and April, not prevent the disease from spreading by whatever means necessary in perpetuity well beyond April.

[Mr. Reactionary]

This should be done through the Treasury and not the the IRS.

The IRS is part of the Treasury.

[Mr. Reactionary]

https://twitter.com/NikkiHaley/status/1253325061265620994?s=20
Someone’s getting in on this for her ‘24 run.

The only running that Haley is likely to be doing within the next four years involves being chased by an angry mob.

What?

[Mr. Reactionary]

What do you guys think? Could this turn into something or is it a nothing burger?

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1253785676274970625?s=20

Looks like another crank theory to file next to the Hooker Piss Tape.

[Mr. Reactionary]

What do you guys think? Could this turn into something or is it a nothing burger?

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1253785676274970625?s=20

Looks like another crank theory to file next to the Hooker Piss Tape.

Except it isn't theory. It's a story from Politico.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1253753104299773952

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/trump-biden-china-debt-205475

You mean this story that doesnt even suggest a hypothetical link between Trump and his Corona response or insinuate that he purposefully neglected to do big government dictator things because he owes Jyna money for a building?

Abramson is peddling crank theories like Alex Jones to make money.

[Mr. Reactionary]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/trump-biden-china-debt-205475

You mean this story that doesnt even suggest a hypothetical link between Trump and his Corona response or insinuate that he purposefully neglected to do big government dictator things because he owes Jyna money for a building?

Abramson is peddling crank theories like Alex Jones to make money.

I'm sure you'd have no problem too if the Democratic nominee owed hundreds of millions to a state-owned foreign bank.

I'd give them the same benefit of the doubt if that's what you mean. It's not like I am a Trump voter or a Republican.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I'm going to provide another update on mask-wearing where I live today. A few days ago, the Colorado Department of Public Health issued an order reinforcing that issued by Governor Polis last week, providing more specific guidelines for mask-wearing by essential employees at work. The order is in effect until May 23. Even though I praised Polis' initial order, I still thought that it was a strange sight to see all of the other employees masked. Several were complaining about how uncomfortable the masks were, like last time, and some were despairing at the prospect that the mask order may be extended past May 23. As for customers, the vast majority-probably around 70%-are wearing masks now. There were of course still that substantial minority which are not doing so, and will never do so unless if they are ordered to-which is something I don't think is going to happen at this point. I can certainly sympathize, from personal experience, with some of the discomforts caused by hours of continuous mask-wearing. But it's a necessary sacrifice for now.

I went to Food Lion today to but chicken and cigarettes. Half the employees weren't even wearing masks. Spotted a few customers wearing them but most weren't.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I'm sorry, but if there is no hope of a vaccine happening anytime soon by this time next year, I'm just not going to care about any "social distancing" or whatever.

I have a less than 0.1% chance of dying if I even contract this disease, why the hell should I have to waste nearly my entire 20s being afraid of this? And I'm certainly not alone in this either.

If people can't develop immunity, as there have been hints of since the beginning, this may end up fundamentally changing our society. Obviously things won't remain exactly as they are now forever, but there will be significant change from the old "normal."

There have been literally zero hints towards this.

Yeah, for every chicken Little who vows not to leave the house or touch anyone for years and years until a vaccine is found, there will be 10 of us who won't. If the media ends its insane fear mongering thatd help. I don't see corona news having the same money making power after 6 months of nothing else.

[Mr. Reactionary]

So many Eeyores and Chicken Littles in this thread lol

What does that mean?

Pessimists and the irrationally fearful.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I'm sorry, but if there is no hope of a vaccine happening anytime soon by this time next year, I'm just not going to care about any "social distancing" or whatever.

I have a less than 0.1% chance of dying if I even contract this disease, why the hell should I have to waste nearly my entire 20s being afraid of this? And I'm certainly not alone in this either.

If people can't develop immunity, as there have been hints of since the beginning, this may end up fundamentally changing our society. Obviously things won't remain exactly as they are now forever, but there will be significant change from the old "normal."

There have been literally zero hints towards this.

Uh, how do you know you have less than 0.1% of a chance of dying if you contract it? What the what? There are very healthy people who died from this. Not to mention, it's not just about YOU. Stop being selfish. If you go out there and get it, and don't show any symptoms and are fine, you could still as easily give it to numerous other people, especially people who may not be able to fight it. What an awful thing for you to say. That's some privilege and complete selfishness right there.

And its somehow NOT privileged and selfish for jerks to order literally everyone to hide in their homes indefinitely because of the fears of others? What's really awful are the selfish jerks demanding that everyone involuntarily surrender their tangible, fundamental human rights more or less indefinitely over extremely low odds/hypotehtical models. What, you really expect all people to be taking this super seriously in a few months?

And are you really using the anecdotal "oh 5 people under 30 died therefore you will all die!"? This chicken little schit was old back in march. This is not the end of the world, and most of us never agreed to this "the world can never ever be the same and everything must permanently change". We arent going to consent to shutdowns, limitations on seeing friends/family, no weddings, no funerals, no shaking hands, meltdowns over someone walking within 6 feet, mandatory face coverings, elections cancelled, hip replacements suspended, no church, 25% unemployment, no protests, no school, no college, no going to the park, no anything until an indeterminate, moving target date that the fearful keep insisting could be years (or never).

Yeah I'm an evil murderer. You can say it, it's not like im ever going to believe you.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Outside enjoying the nice weather. Sorry, not sorry. #YOLO

There's nothing wrong with this, as long as you're taking precautions.

If you're in a protest parading about with your guns and flags, though, then you're a moron.

What if he's 6 feet from other protesters? I mean if its safe to go into an indoor abortion clinic now surely its safe to stand on the sidewalk 6 feet away from everyone.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Mask orders continue to spread across the country. Andy Beshear is now mandating all Kentuckians to wear masks in public by May 11: https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/WATCH-LIVE-Gov-Beshears-daily-COVID-19-update-569985941.html. Apparently, the general public will not be cited if they don't wear them, but they will be "asked" to put them on, and it will be mandatory for essential employees in businesses. The city of Birmingham, Alabama, is also making masks mandatory in public: https://www.al.com/news/2020/04/birmingham-eyes-requiring-masks-in-public.html. And in Colorado, Aspen is also requiring masks: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/04/28/face-masks-mandatory-in-aspen/. Both Birmingham and Aspen will fine residents if they don't wear masks. Aspen is the first place in my home state that I am aware of that is making it mandatory.

How long do these mandatory masks orders last for I've seen as soon as they can last a year

Honestly why would this be a big deal? Mandatory masks in public spaces are much less intrusive than various closure/lockdown/stay-at-home rules.

Because you're telling people what to do.

My own views aside, people -- especially Americans -- get very touchy about being told what to do (or when they sense that they're being told what to do).

This is certainly true. For example, as I'm sure you're aware, this has arisen in your home state of Texas. Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo issued an order last week mandating that all residents there wear masks in public, or face a $1,000 fine for not doing so. Governor Abbott, however, in issuing his executive order today outlining Texas's gradual reopening process, explicitly overruled the fine requirement, stating that local jurisdictions in Texas cannot fine or penalize people who don't want to wear masks. In addition to Harris County, Bexar, Travis, and Dallas Counties, and the city of Laredo had also issued mandatory mask orders. Any penalties from those orders are overridden as well.

I've also seen a number of articles discussing the traditional hostility in this country to wearing masks, which have typically been associated with government intrusiveness and with criminality (i.e. black inner-city "thugs", the Ku Klux Klan). Nevertheless, it seems like the majority of Americans have accepted it, and there is of course the example of the Spanish Flu from a century ago, when mask-wearing became common in many cities.

Regarding the last part, Georgia actually has a law that makes it a misdemeanor to wear a mask in public (with a few exceptions), dating from the Klan days.  Kemp suspended it during the state of emergency after concerns were raised that people could be prosecuted under it.

I recall reading that Virginia has a similar law, but the law provides exceptions for states of emergency and public health emergencies, and Governor Northam invoked those provisions when recommending all Virginians to wear masks in public.

You recalled correctly. This is probably the only time in a generation where adults in VA can wear masks in public. Even Halloween is limited to minors below a certain age.

[Mr. Reactionary]

It really pisses me off that people like me are worried about the health and safety of not only our own family and friends, but even those of your own. And you write us off as essentially not even being part of the same Society and country with some black helicopter type language.

Hi Kettle!

[Mr. Reactionary]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSLA/status/1255699561399619584

Here come the fun police.

[Mr. Reactionary]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1256202305680158720

No, these are not "good" people, they are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such.

ok Rambo

[Mr. Reactionary]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1256202305680158720

No, these are not "good" people, they are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such.

ok Rambo

How anyone can think anything other than that about thugs representing a small minority brandishing firearms overlooking an elected representative body in a blatant attempt to intimidate them in contravention of the democratic process, is completely Beyond ration.

"Brandishing" a firearm is a crime. They would have immediately arrested them if they had an excuse such as that. Legally carrying a firearm is not brandishing. If you are sooo scared of firearm that even seeing one triggers you, stay out of public. Especially now bandying around the word "terrorist" is excessive hyperbole and not conducive to intelligent discussion. Its a lazy attempt to shutdown differing views and evoke anger at the "other". It is disgusting and I'd report it if itd do any good. Ive had much less purposefully inflammatory comments infracted for "excessive hyperbole" or "hatefulness".

[Mr. Reactionary]

Oh please. Quit being such an apologist for thugs. Oh goodie! They didn't actually cock and point their guns at legislate arguing in favor of keeping the shut down! Nothing to see here! Totally business-as-usual compatible with the open expression and exchange of ideas in the legislature why nonviolent needs!

Some of us carry guns. Yes, all the time. Just because you don't like guns doesn't mean carrying guns is a threat ... let alone terrorism. Or is the terrorism that they opposed the suspension of our fundamental rights and breathed in public without wearing a mask. I've seen so much hateful invective directed at people who support the Bill of Rights these past months its kind of hard to tell why we should "muh killz the terrist protesters!" Quit being an apologist for a comment clearly calling for violence against protesters. What do you think "treat them like terrorists" means in this context?

[Mr. Reactionary]

Oh please. Quit being such an apologist for thugs. Oh goodie! They didn't actually cock and point their guns at legislate arguing in favor of keeping the shut down! Nothing to see here! Totally business-as-usual compatible with the open expression and exchange of ideas in the legislature why nonviolent needs!

Some of us carry guns. Yes, all the time. Just because you don't like guns doesn't mean carrying guns is a threat ... let alone terrorism. Or is the terrorism that they opposed the suspension of our fundamental rights and breathed in public without wearing a mask. I've seen so much hateful invective directed at people who support the Bill of Rights these past months its kind of hard to tell why we should "muh killz the terrist protesters!" Quit being an apologist for a comment clearly calling for violence against protesters. What do you think "treat them like terrorists" means in this context?

When you say you carry a gun "all the time"...do you carry a gun to the airport?  To a courthouse?  
I am completely shocked that anyone is allowed to take a gun into any state capitol.

Haven't flown in years. Dont carry at court because thats illegal, but they also have metal detectors and armed deputies to assume responsibility for your security. Im a government lawyer that takes people to court for taxes, utility debts, and code violations; I also prosecutes doggie death penalty cases ... I do get death threats from time to time. I was also the victim of stalking last year. So sorry my life isn't as boring as others in this thread.

[Mr. Reactionary]

https://twitter.com/vote4robgill/status/1255922426120146947

How on earth on guns allowed inside a state capitol?

When the Black Panthers did something similar in the 1960's they were disarmed before their weapons were returned as they broke no laws. The media reported it as an "invasion" of the state Capitol. California quickly changed its gun laws.

 and Saint Ronald Reagan was quoted as saying “There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.”

 The Panthers were protesting actual oppression and the United States government then proceeded in surveilling, jailing, or killing every prominent member of the Black Panther Party over the next few years.

For the record I'm with the Black Panthers and against Raygun on that.