Pennsylvania

[Keystone Phil]

I hate when we see something posted about twenty different times (as if it's new) and then asking if people agree with it when the poster knows how people here feel.

[Keystone Phil]

So, I just thought I'd ask if Republicans are of a mind to learn some lessons from what happened today, or if you all think it's politically insignificant and should just be blown off.  But hey, if you all have made up your minds about it and think what happened is totally insignificant and irrelevant to the future of the GOP, then fine, cede the rest of the easten seaboard above South Carolina while you're at it. 

Oh, yeah. We learned our lesson all right - plenty of GOP apologists that constantly made excuses for RINOs like Specter learned that you get burned by spineless opportunists.

We need to learn to abandon our principles and go with the "more electable" people when their only argument is "Vote for me if you want to win." This is why I'm really starting to dislike politics.

Anyway, keep feeding into this myth that the GOP will be politically insignificant. Remember when the Dems were going to be stuck in the permanent minority? Remember when you guys had to nominate someone like Mark Warner to ever stand a chance nationally?

[Keystone Phil]

We need to learn to abandon our principles and go with the "more electable" people when their only argument is "Vote for me if you want to win."

I'm so glad you agree with me now

Seriously, I am sick and tired of "conservatives" defining themselves as principled as if moderates are "unprincipled".  Libertarians are principled.  Islamo-fascists are principled. Socialists are principled.  Anarchists are principled.  There is neither prize nor valor in how fervent you are in your ideological principles.  Everybody has principles, Phil - but some of us realize that politics is all about getting one more vote than your opponent, and in order to do that, you have to build sustainable coalitions that can put some of their differences aside in order to put their shared principles in actions.

Don, I'm tired of you telling me that I'm saying moderates are unprincipled. I've never said that. I've never implied it. You don't win at anything you argue anymore; you bitch and moan and twist words.

Arlen Specter isn't principled. His move wasn't principled.

You're all about winning at any cost and refusing to admit you're wrong about people that stick it to this party. Some of us have realized that you don't make a "sustainable coalition" with snakes and plenty of your moderates have realized this as well. Wake the hell up, Don. You were wrong about Specter. You were wrong about Chafee. You were wrong about others. Man up.

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LOL

Ideology wise they're similar?

I think I and everyone else know why Warner strongly backed the major opponent of the woman who dug up dirt on him...

[Keystone Phil]

four years ago, Kerry was % in one state from winning the presidency against one of the more unpopular presidents to be reelected...

And McCain lost by only about seven points as the nominee of a party that was extremely unpopular and with the endorsement of a President with an approval rating at 28%. Your point?

[Keystone Phil]

McCain only lost PA by 7 points?  nvm

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I'm talking nationally just as you were.