President Forever results thread...

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Where are ya'll getting the extra maps from

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2000 Scenario. Playing as John McCain. Default settings on hard.

Primary:

John McCain - Blue - 1,423 Delegates
George W. Bush - Red- 564 Delegates
Other Candidates- 13 Delegates

General

Note: In true John McCain style, I accepted federal funds.
Senator John S. McCain(R-AZ) / Governor George Pataki (R-NY) - 390 EV, 51.1% PV
Vice President Al Gore (D-TN) / Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT) -  148 EV, 46.6% PV
Advocate Ralph Nader (G-  ) /  Winona LaDuke  (G -  ) - 0 EV, 2.3% PV

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If I made a 2004 scenario would you all play it?

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If I made a 2004 scenario would you all play it?

Sure, the current 2004 scenario is almost impossible to win.

There's a current 2004 one? I'm talking about with President Forever 2016. I don't play President Forever 2008, its not as good --minus the editing the map itself feature.

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I played the 2008 map on President Forever 2016, with Bill Richardson. All candidates were turned on.

Bill Richardson - Yellow, 2028 delegates
Barack Obama - Red, 2006 delegates
Hillary Clinton - Blue, 0 delegates  (endorsed Richardson I believe)
Al Gore - Green, 0 delegates
Arizona, Utah was won by Wesley Clark, Missouri was won by John Edwards and John Kerry took Michigan.

On the Republican side, Mitt Romney swept --beating every candidate (all were on).

I did finish the game, but I only have it saved at the end of the primaries

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Playing through my 2004 scenario.

George W. Bush gets primaried by Senator John McCain. Colin Powell starts off as "undecided" on running.

For the Democrats, John Kerry, Howard Dean, Joe Lieberman, Wesley Clark, Dick Gephardt, and John Edwards are all turned on. Al Gore is turned on as "undecided"

Ralph Nader is on. I will play as my "Observer" candidate which does nothing.

GOP Primaries:

Nov 2003 - George W. Bush starts off with a full map in his favor.

Nov 2003 - Powell decides against running.

Jan 2004 - Bush leads big in both Iowa and NH..66% - 15% against McCain.

Iowa Result - Bush wins 70-30

New Hampshire - Bush wins 72-28

After Super Tuesday in March...Bush has 822 delegates to McCain's 44...Bush leads nationally 74.6% to McCain's 23.7%...


Democratic Primaries:

Nov 2003 - If Gore jumps in, he'll have a 10% lead over Dean with the others trailing behind, but not too far behind.

Dec 2003 - Gore jumps in. Gore still ahead, the others are catching up.

Jan 2004 - Gore is at 26.7% and leads in IA, SC, NV (barely in IA & NV). Dean is at 17.1%. Edwards leads in NH 41.3%-22.2% for Kerry.

Iowa Result - Kerry wins Iowa (24%) to Dean's 20.1%. Gephardt in third for 20%, Edwards at 19.9%...Gore at 12%...Clark at 2.1% and Lieberman at 2%.

New Hampshire - Kerry wins 23.8% to Clark's 22.7%...Edwards 17.7%...Lieberman 16.8%...Gore 7.3%...Dean 7%...Gephardt 5%...

After Super Tuesday: Gore has 467 delegates, 21.8% polling...Kerry 225 del, 16.6%....Dean 112 del, 14.7%....Gephardt (took California) 292 del, 12.5%...Clark, Lieberman and Edwards all have 80ish delegates...9-12% in the polls...Gephardt endorses Kerry soon after.

Mid March - Kerry pulls ahead w/ 30.7% polling and 1,675 delegates. Dean, Lieberman and Edwards all also drop out and (I think) endorse Kerry...


The General

Bush cruises to renomination ultimately winning over 80% of the popular vote. He switches up his VP and picks Colin Powell.

Kerry wins the nomination and selects Senator Diane Feinstein as his running mate. In August 2004, the GOP leads the Democrats 46.1% - 31.8% and 389 EV to 80 EV.

October:

The GOP maintains their lead despite Kerry winning all the debates.

November:

On the eve of election...

Bush leads 50.9% to 36.9% and 359 to 179.

Election Results

President George W. Bush / Secretary of State Colin Powell - 58.3% popular vote, 355 electoral votes
Senator John Kerry / Senator Diane Feinstein - 40.7% popular vote, 183 electoral votes
Ralph Nader - 0 electoral votes, 0.9% popular vote

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^impressive

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I played President Infinity as Bill Richardson in 2008 on hard

Bill Richardson (Yellow) - 2266 Delegates (2028 to win)
Hillary Clinton (Blue) - 1 Delegate
Barack Obama (Red) - 1788 Delegates

John Edwards, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd and Dennis Kucinich all dropped out without winning any states.

On the Republican primary side, Mitt Romney defeated his chief rival, John McCain.

As of July 4th, here's how the map looks for the general.

Note: I used the 2012 map accidentally.

Note: I used the 2012 map accidentally

Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM)/Rep. Chet Edwards (D-TX) - 266 Electoral Votes, 44.1%  Popular Vote
Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) -  272 Electoral Votes, 41.5% Popular Vote

On the eve of the elction

Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM)/Rep. Chet Edwards (D-TX) - 285 Electoral Votes, 52.1%  Popular Vote
Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) -  253 Electoral Votes, 44.5% Popular Vote


Results!!

Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM)/Rep. Chet Edwards (D-TX) - 355 Electoral Votes, 53.3%  Popular Vote
Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) -  183 Electoral Votes, 44.5% Popular Vote

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Playing President Infinity, 2016 scenario as Gillibrand. Clinton and Biden were both off for the scenario. Warren was set to "Unsure" and jumped in early. Sanders, Schweitzer, Webb, Warner and O'Malley were also all on.

On the GOP side, Christie, Cruz, Bush, Paul, Rubio, Carson, Palin, Huntsman, King and Santorum were all on.

Bloomberg is on as an independent, and so are the Libertarian and Green nominees.

First Update: December 15th 2015 - I lead, as Gillibrand, in the first 4 primary states. My focus is entirely on these states. On the GOP side, Palin leads in Iowa. Perry leads in NH closely followed by Palin. Santorum leads in SC, and Palin leads in NV. Fundraising has proven difficult.

Iowa Result: I take Iowa with 43% of the vote to Warner's 24%, Webb's 16%. Palin takes Iowa on the GOP side with Rubio 2 points behind her.

New Hampshire: Palin takes New Hampshire, with Rick Perry right behind her. I take New Hampshire with 49.9% of the vote to Warner's 19.6% followed by Webb at about 12%.

Nevada (Dem): I take Nevada with 34% of the vote to Webb's 23% and Schweitzer's 20%. Schweitzer withdraws after.

South Carolina (GOP): Santorum takes SC, with Palin coming in 4th.

South Carolina (Dem): I take South Carolina with 50% to Warren's 25% -- this is the highest Warren has recieved in the first 4 primaries.

Florida (GOP): Rubio wins overwhelmingly.

Nevada (GOP): Christie takes Nevada with 14.7% to Palin's 14.4% to Carson's 14.0%. This is the best Christie has done so far.

February 2015: I pushed Webb out of the race. King on the GOP side leaves the race. A few different Republicans win a few random primaries. I lead nationally at 30% to Warren's 25%. Oddly enough, Huntsman endorsed Cruz...

Arizona: Warner had been up here for a while and took it, I didn't contest it.

Pre Super Tuesday Delegates --> Post Super Tuesday Delegates

Delegates...
Gillibrand: 135 --> 585
Warren: 27 --> 644
Sanders: 5 --> 63
O'Malley:  6 --> 153
Warner: 113 --> 255

I disagree that Warren would even be viable after losing the first 4 primaries but w/e...Warren comes out ahead on Super Tuesday, but I won Massachusetts.

Cruz: 30 --> 286
Palin: 9 --> 34
Bush: 2 --> 8
Rubio: 155 --> 234
Christie: 31  --> 85
Paul: 44 --> 50
Perry: 4  --> 8
Carson: 41 --> 44
Santorum:29 --> 33

Post Super Tuesday/March: Christie drops out and endorses Cruz. I take Hawaii. Warner drops out and endorses Warren.  Warren takes Maine. Warren leads 961 to 725 in delegates. The in game estimator has me up 777 in the end but lets see. Bush, Palin and Carson drop out mid-March.

We take Illinois & Louisana but I decide to shore up support in NY, PA and CA.

April: O'Malley drops out the day before the MD/WI/DC primaries. I was ahead in WI but was okay with losing MD to O'Malley. DC was a tossup. I end up taking MD and WI. Santorum and Perry drop out. I take a whole bunch of midwestern states bringing my delegate total to 1319 to Warren's 1,302. Sanders is at 144.

NY/PA/CT/DE - I go completely negative running ads against Warren. I don't contest DE, we're already down 30 points. We go onto win all 4 states! We're now ahead by 500 delegates.

May: We're less than 100 delegates from securing the nomination. Sanders and Warren are both still in the race, but it's pretty much over....and now Sanders is out.

May 18th - I have secured the nomination. Rubio and Cruz are basically neck and neck fighting it out on their end still. Cruz has a slight edge in numbers but Rubio is the one going in stronger to the final primaries including California.

May 24th - I pick Tim Kaine as my VP. It's clear that we need Virginia to win the Presidency.

May 30th - The game is saying Cruz locked up the nomination...but he's still under the 1144 mark (he's at 977). He won Texas 85-15. Gary Johnson wins the Libertarian nod.

June 2016 - I beat Warren in overall delegates 70-30. Cruz beat Rubio 64 - 24% Cruz's delegate count is down.

June 15 2016 Status

Gillibrand/Kaine (D) -  201 EV, 40.5% PV
Cruz/TBD (R) - 333 EV, 45.9% PV
Bloomberg/TBD (I) - 0 EV, 5.6% PV
Stein/TBD (G) - 0 EV, 1.7% PV
Johnson/TBD (L) 0 EV, 1.1% PV


Much work to do.

August 2016 - NJ just flipped to Bloomberg (34-12-11). Ugh. This is going to be tough unless Cruz implodes. Gillibrand receiving only 5 stamina per turn hurts. Bloomberg is expanding the map by targeting D states. This is not good.Cruz picked Jodi Ernst for VP.

September 2016 Status

Gillibrand/Kaine (D) -  201 EV, 36.5% PV - $50 million cash on hand
Cruz/Ernst (R) - 299 EV, 38.8% PV - $83 million cash on hand
Bloomberg/Hagel(I) - 14 EV, 7.2% PV - $26 million cash on hand
Stein/Honkala (G) - 0 EV, 1.6% PV - $-12,983 cash on hand
Johnson/Ventura (L) 0 EV, 1.1% PV $-16,649 cash on hand

We've flipped two states to D, and one R state (but traditionally D) has flipped to I.
Cruz must have accepted federal funds. I didn't. Excellent (I now have $127 mil COH)

October Status Update

Gillibrand/Kaine (D) -  187 EV, 37.5% PV - $100 million cash on hand
Cruz/Ernst (R) - 315 EV, 40.2% PV - $76 million cash on hand
Bloomberg/Hagel(I) - 17 EV, 7.2% PV - $1.9 million cash on hand
Stein/Honkala (G) - 0 EV, 1.6% PV - $-1,716 cash on hand
Johnson/Ventura (L) 0 EV, 1.1% PV $-102,291 cash on hand

This is not trending well, but Cruz has limited funds and Bloomberg is out of money.

November Status Update

Gillibrand/Kaine (D) -  200 EV, 41.8% PV - $66 million cash on hand
Cruz/Ernst (R) - 317 EV, 38.8% PV - $76 million cash on hand
Bloomberg/Hagel(I) - 17 EV, 9.1% PV - $210,744 million cash on hand
Stein/Honkala (G) - 0 EV, 1.8% PV - $-14,310 cash on hand
Johnson/Ventura (L) 0 EV, 1.3% PV $-4,950 cash on hand

I think we're going to lose but I believe the final result will be closer.


Final Results

Gillibrand/Kaine (D) -  230 EV, 42.9% PV, 64,505,020 votes
Cruz/Ernst (R) - 291 EV, 43% PV, 64,555,800 votes
Bloomberg/Hagel(I) - 17 EV, 10.6% PV, 15,942,518 votes
Stein/Honkala (G) - 0 EV, 1.8% PV - 2,691,369 votes
Johnson/Ventura (L) 0 EV, 1.7% PV, 2,501,390 votes

So, Cruz received  50,780 votes more nationally than me, which is really closing the gap.

Closest States (in no particular order);

Iowa: Cruz up .4% (yes point 4)
Washington: Cruz up 4%
Nevada: Gillibrand up 3%
New Mexico: Cruz up 4%
Wisconsin: Cruz up 4%
Pennsylvania: Gillibrand up 3%
North Carolina: Gillibrand up 5%
Delaware: Bloomberg up 5% over Gillibrand
New Hampshire: Gillibrand up 2%
Maine: Gillibrnad up 2%

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Is President Forever Infinity better than President Forever 2008? I might buy it.

I prefer President Forever 2016 before it was remodeled into president infinity, but its still good.

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A fun game and interesting map.  Played the general as Gillibrand vs Romney.  Was close all game, but towards the end I was pretty sure I was going to lose.  Barnstorming, ads, and my foot soldiers ended up saving me.  While I won a respectable electoral college margin, the percentages I won crucial states by were very thin (and likewise for a few of Romney's).  A single percentage point in either direction would have either padded my win or given Romney the victory.

Gillibrand/Webb:  302 Ev/51.2% PV
Romney/Ayotte:  236 EV/48.8% PV

It's more fun when it comes down to the wire, right?

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I ran the game playing as Observer for my 2004 scenario. Historical players otherwise, I just wanted to see how it'd turn out.

Kerry/Edwards starts at 45.1% with Bush/Cheney at 42.6%. Nader is oddly high at 2.4%. Bush/Cheney leads in the electoral college 279-259.


On September 28th, Democrats are leading in Virginia and Missouri...but losing Ohio, Oregon and Iowa...despite that, no one has a majority in the electoral college.

Between September 28th and October, we flipped to a GOP wave, back to a Democratic win...so it's close. Polls have the Democratic ticket at 46.5% and GOP at 44.5%

Eve of the Election:

John Kerry/John Edwards - 46.1%, 276 EV
George W. Bush/Dick Cheney - 44.4% 254 EV
Ralph Nader/Whoever - 2.4%, 0 EV

Election Results

John Kerry/John Edwards - 50%, 314 EV
George W. Bush/Dick Cheney - 47.4% 224 EV
Ralph Nader/Whoever - 2.6%, 0 EV

I'm surprised that Kerry pulled it off, and even more surprised that Nader got that large of a vote slice, might have to change that...

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Is this scenario for President Forever 2008 and did you make it? Because the results seem surprisingly fair for the normal 2004 scenario, which is very lopsided.

Its for President Infinity. I made it based on a user created 2000 scenario. It also has Powell and McCain as potential Republican contenders. The endorsers in the scenario are inaccurate but who cares, the rest is pretty good.

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where is the link to play this game?

http://www.270soft.com

You can download & purchase it there.

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2016

Secretary Hillary R. Clinton (D-NY) / Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) - 359 EV, 47.4% PV
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) / Governor Rick Perry (R-TX) - 179 EV, 44% PV
Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I-NY) / Secretary Chuck Hagel (R-NE) 0 EV, 6.1% PV
Governor Gary Johnson (L-NM) / Governor Bill Weld (L-NM) - 0 EV, 1.4% PV
Activist Jill Stein (G-MA) / Cheri Honkala (G-Whatever)  - 0 EV, 1.2% PV

I played as HRC on hard. Swept the primaries besides Arkansas, Vermont and some other random state.

Best Bloomberg States (10% & Above):
NJ - 24.1
AL- 17
WV - 11.2
NC - 11
CA - 10.4
NY - 10

Best Johnson States  (10% & Above):

AL - 13

Best Stein States  (8% & Above):

NM - 8.9
NC - 8.4

Closest States (b/w Clinton and Cruz under 5%)

Indiana - 0.89
Florida - 1.1
Georgia 1.2
Montana - 1.7
Wisconsin - 2.1
Iowa - 2.1
Virginia - 3.4
North Carolina - 4
Minnesota - 4.6
Arizona - 4.9

Blowouts for Cruz (20+ Points)
Utah
Wyoming
Idaho
Oklahoma
Texas
Kentucky
South Carolina
Alabama
North Dakota
Kansas
Nebraska

Blowouts for Clinton (20+ Points)

Rhode Island
Hawaii
Connecticut
Delaware
Vermont
Massachusetts
Washington, D.C.

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I am sure there are others, but I do enjoy seeing everyone else's results here.

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2016 - Democratic Primary

I played as Biden on hard. Clinton, Webb, Sanders, O'Malley were also candidates.

Biden (me, blue) - 2040 delegates, 41.8% pop vote (2,383 delegates needed to clinche)
Clinton (red) - 2061 delegates, 37.5% pop vote
Sanders - 440 delegates, 10.9% pop vote, endorsed Biden
O'Malley - 196 delegates, 5.3% pop vote, withdrew
Webb - 28 delegates, 4.5% pop vote, withdrew

I ultimately win the nomination on round 4 of voting with 2,704 to Clinton's 2,061. Bush/Portman is the GOP ticket. I picked Sherrod Brown for VP.

We start off at a severe disadvantage.
Bush/Portman - 48.8% and 379 EV
Biden/Brown - 39.7% and 153 EV
Bloomberg/Hagel - 4.8% and 0 EV
Stein/Baraka - 1.6% and 0 EV
Ventura/Whatever - 1.4% and 0 EV

TWO DAYS BEFORE E-DAY

Bush/Portman - 359 EV, 47.3% PV
Biden/Brown - 165 EV, 40.6% PV
Bloomberg/Hagel - 5.5% PV, 0 EV
Stein/Baraka - 1.7% PV, 0 EV
Ventura/Whoever - 1.7% PV, 0 EV

My chances are not good. I had caught up slighty but got hit with a level 10 scandal.

Final Result

Blue - Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL) / Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH) - 339 EV, 48.6% PV
Red - VP Joe Biden (D-DE) / Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) - 199 EV, 41.9% PV
Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I-NY) / Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) - 0 EV, 5.6% PV
Jill Stein (G-MA) / Whoever Baraka - 0 EV, 2.1% PV
Gov. Jesse Ventura (L-MN) / Whoever - 0 EV, 1.8% PV

Closest States (under 5% diff):
Pennsylvania - 0.5%
New Hampshire - 1.3%
Washington - 1.4%
Oregon - 1.6%
Illinois - 1.6%
New Jersey - 1.8%
New York - 2.6%
California - 2.6%
Maine - 2.8%
Virginia - 2.8%
Florida - 3.1%
Iowa - 3.6%
Nevada - 4.1%
Missouri - 4.6%

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Fmr. SoS Hillary Clinton (D-NY)/ Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA)
416 EV, 76,247,069 (52.8%)
Businessman Donald J. Trump (R-NY)/ Gov. Mike Pence (R-IN)
122 EV, 58,661,096 (40.6%)
Fmr. Gov Gary Johnson (L-NM)/ Att. William Weld (L-MA)
0 EV, 9,491,330 (6.6%)

Why did you call Bill Weld "attorney" and not Governor?

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2016
Played as Barack Obama for a third term. Defeated Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley easily in the primary. Clinton only won NY after I locked up the nomination.

President Barack Obama (D-IL) / Vice President Joe Biden (D-DE) - 342 EV, 48.4% PV
Donald J. Trump (R-NY) / Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) - 196 EV, 48.9% PV (wtf)
Gov. Jesse Ventura (L-MN) / John McAfee (L-VA) - 2% PV
Dr. Jill Stein (G-MA) / Cheri Honkala (G-WE) - 0.7% PV

I lost New Mexico 59-37 and it was never in play. I had built infrastructure but the result is strange.
WE = Whatever

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Gave it another go with my third term for Barack Obama campaign.

2016

Democratic Primary: Sanders decides to run, Obama cruises to victory with 80+% of the vote and every state.

Republican Primary: All of the regulars run, Trump wins in a contested convention against Cruz

Election Day Eve

Obama: 371 EV - 48.7 PV
Trump: 160 EV - 45.1 PV
Johnson - 1.6 PV
Stein - 0.5 PV
Tossup: 7 EV, 4% PV

Results

President Barack Obama (D-IL) / Vice President Joe Biden (D-DE) - 382 EV, 53% PV
Businessman Donald Trump (R-NY) / Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) - 156 EV, 44.7% PV
Gov. Gary Johnson (L-NM) / Whoever - 1.7% PV
Jill Stein (G-MA) / Whoever 0.6% PV

Closest States (under 5%):

New Hampshire - 181 votes or 0.023%
Mississippi - 1.2%
Indiana - 1.6%
Georgia - 2%
Colorado - 4.7%

Surprising results:

Obama won Florida by 17%, VA, NV, NC by 13+%

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Does anyone else try to mimic a candidate's RL strategy? For instance: as Trump in 2016 don't put many ground game operations or ads in place but make a lot of speeches, as Kasich put everything into NH, as Giuliani in 2008 ignore every state prior to Florida etc.

I have to an extent but only when it is a broad strategy. The game can't simulate unique strategies like "oh wow look he put EVERYTHING on the line in XXX state and won."

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Played through 2016 as Biden on hard with everyone on.

Blue = Biden
Yellow = Clinton
Green = Warren
Red = Sanders

On May 9th 2016, the game was "out of memory" and crashed. The autosave featured failed around the Iowa primary so I lost yet another game. The game platform is really a POS. I was marginally trailing in delegates (handful) and poised to win California by 8 points.

Georgia, Alabama, NH were all won by other candidates (Webb for NH).