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JA
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Junior Chimp
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« on: July 07, 2017, 02:07:44 PM »

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This is dumb.

Democrats need as many D's as they can get in Congress. Regardless of Manchin's fault, you can rely on him to vote for the big, important legislation, you are not going to get that with a Republican.

From Wiki:
As a senator, Manchin is known for his bipartisanship, voting or working with Republicans on issues such as abortion and gun ownership. He has opposed the energy policies of President Barack Obama, declined to vote on both the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010 and the DREAM ACT, voted for removing federal funding from Planned Parenthood in 2015 and against in 2017, and voted to confirm most of Donald Trump's Cabinet appointees.

You mean he only voted with the Democrats 95% of the time?Might as well be a republican.
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Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 02:16:16 PM »

Blow an election against Donald "Grab 'em the P*ssy" Trump. Lose control of elected offices to 1920s levels against a GOP leadership led by Mitch McConnell and Paul "keggers and Medicaid killer" Ryan. Hold onto power despite enormous unpopularity and destruction of the party at all levels. And commit yourself to learn absolutely nothing and double-down on your worst possible ideas. Considering what the Clinton wing of the party has done, does this or the following article surprise anyone?

Clinton Strategist Mark Penn Pushes Democrats To Move To Center - And Quietly Profits From GOP Victories
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2017, 02:35:27 PM »

Almost every senator in both parties gets a token primary challenger or two. Bernie will get over 90% of the vote in the primary, and he should.

You can't primary challenge an Independent. So, they'll just primary each other then run against Sanders and a Republican in the general. They'll ultimately lose, but their hope is that by doing this, they'll reduce Sanders' votes enough to let the Republican win. Typical Clinton-esque strategy; fear and destroy progressives even if it means a Republican wins.
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JA
Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2017, 03:16:02 PM »

I find it hilarious that some progressives are up in arms about this. But are cool with Justice Democrats doing this.

That assumes we should treat all political movements/orientations equally. We shouldn't. Some are better than others; case-in-point: progressives are better than neoliberals, conservative Democrats, and all Republicans. With that said, however, I do disagree with Justice Democrats primarying potentially vulnerable Democrats in red states; even a Democrat like Manchin is better than the Republican that'd win if he lost or was damaged by his primary.
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Jacobin American
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2017, 04:35:03 PM »

Almost every senator in both parties gets a token primary challenger or two. Bernie will get over 90% of the vote in the primary, and he should.

You can't primary challenge an Independent. So, they'll just primary each other then run against Sanders and a Republican in the general. They'll ultimately lose, but their hope is that by doing this, they'll reduce Sanders' votes enough to let the Republican win. Typical Clinton-esque strategy; fear and destroy progressives even if it means a Republican wins.

Did you not even read the thread? Bernie runs in the Democratic primary.

Unfortunately, I assumed Bernie, being an Independent, did not run in the Democratic Primary. Regardless, even if he lost the Democratic Primary, he'd still run as an Independent candidate, just without the official support of the party, which would still prove my point.
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