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Wakie
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« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2008, 06:41:16 PM »

Pope Leo, he's been in the Senate for 2 years.  The last year of which he's been campaigning for President and the first year he was learning the ropes.  How many foreign trips do you really think he's taken?

Two? What? He's been in there for going on four years, in which time he's sponsored a significant amount of succesful legislation. And before that, he was in the IL Senate for eight, in which time he successfully passed several hundred bills. Sounds like experience, no? More elected experience than Hillary, at any rate.

But onto the topic of foreign policy experience, he's gone on three official foreign trips abroad in his status as a United States senator, visiting fourteen countries; in addition, he's also visited his family in Kenya as a personal trip. And he's the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee on Europe, you know. That's significantly more foreign policy experience than either Reagan or Clinton upon their election to the presidency. What foriegn experience did they have?

Pardon me ... you are correct.  He entered the Senate January of 2005.   So reasonably he's been there for 3 years.  And he's taken 3 trips.  Wow.  3 trips.  1 a year.  Wow.

Now you can say that Reagan and Clinton were Governors and, therefore, had no foreign policy experience.  You may be correct on that one.  But this debate started when someone said that "world leaders are looking forward to working with him because he has an international background".  Do you really think Sarkozy, Putin, or any other world leader is thinking "oh boy I'm glad we're getting Obama instead of Biden or Richardson because he's got so much experience".

Lastly, state senates are one step up from college student senate.  Sit in on one.  It's a trip.
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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2008, 07:05:47 PM »

The argument wasn't that world leaders would have a higher opinion of him, it was that his background would help him better deal with the realm of foreign relations. See Lewis's post.

Though I don't know what forumite said that, and really, it's irrelevant. What is relevant is that Obama's ''weak points'' don't matter, especially when you look at past presidents.
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