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« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2016, 12:07:31 PM »

Time to give up the notion of free and fair democracy is this is true.
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« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2016, 12:49:30 PM »

The fact that so many of you, the people who are supposed to be the most ardent opponents of bigotry, are willing or are even enthusiastic to support an Islamophobe to head the Democratic ticket is appalling. There's photographic evidence of her open affiliation with the ruling Hindu nationalist party that's being internationally condemned for their violation of human rights and systemic discrimination against the Indian Muslim community. I guess it's ok when a Democrat is a bigot, so long as they have a D next to their name and support some progressive causes.
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« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2016, 03:54:14 PM »

The fact that so many of you, the people who are supposed to be the most ardent opponents of bigotry, are willing or are even enthusiastic to support an Islamophobe to head the Democratic ticket is appalling. There's photographic evidence of her open affiliation with the ruling Hindu nationalist party that's being internationally condemned for their violation of human rights and systemic discrimination against the Indian Muslim community. I guess it's ok when a Democrat is a bigot, so long as they have a D next to their name and support some progressive causes.

OH NO! Tulsi took a photo with an activist belonging to India's ruling party. She's also taken photos with members of India's Congress party.





It's almost like her "interest is in helping cultivate a closer relationship between the US and India, not just between the US and one political party of India."

That's a quote from her. Here's another:

"Both in India and here in the US, I have held meetings with members of both the BJP and the Congress party. I am known in America for being nonpartisan — I successfully work with Democrats and Republicans alike to get things done for the people."

Tell me again why you think she's an Islamophobe? Because that "photographic evidence" (lol) isn't convincing.

Here's a picture of Hillary embracing Robert Byrd:



Hillary must be affiliated with the KKK!


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« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2016, 05:19:02 PM »

Gabbard has some really sketchy cult connections that I feel would drag down the ticket. On policy though, I am a fan.
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« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2016, 05:25:37 PM »

Gabbard has some really sketchy cult connections that I feel would drag down the ticket. On policy though, I am a fan.
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« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2016, 05:41:35 PM »
« Edited: December 15, 2016, 05:44:46 PM by President Blair »

Some of the comments are a bit harsh; basically she's just an oddball. Like, say, ). Or (here at home) Kate Hoey

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She's also a shameless Putin Hack; something that should make anyone who's been following Syria extremely skeptical (let alone the entire cyber-crime stuff)

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« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2016, 09:54:22 PM »

The fact that so many of you, the people who are supposed to be the most ardent opponents of bigotry, are willing or are even enthusiastic to support an Islamophobe to head the Democratic ticket is appalling. There's photographic evidence of her open affiliation with the ruling Hindu nationalist party that's being internationally condemned for their violation of human rights and systemic discrimination against the Indian Muslim community. I guess it's ok when a Democrat is a bigot, so long as they have a D next to their name and support some progressive causes.

OH NO! Tulsi took a photo with an activist belonging to India's ruling party. She's also taken photos with members of India's Congress party.





It's almost like her "interest is in helping cultivate a closer relationship between the US and India, not just between the US and one political party of India."

That's a quote from her. Here's another:

"Both in India and here in the US, I have held meetings with members of both the BJP and the Congress party. I am known in America for being nonpartisan — I successfully work with Democrats and Republicans alike to get things done for the people."

Tell me again why you think she's an Islamophobe? Because that "photographic evidence" (lol) isn't convincing.

Here's a picture of Hillary embracing Robert Byrd:



Hillary must be affiliated with the KKK!

If it was merely photographic evidence of her friendliness with the Hindu nationalist party, then yes, that could be dismissed (although it'd still raise valid concerns). Rather, it's that, plus her eccentric and essentially right-wing views concerning terrorism and Islam. She has adopted the rhetoric of the right-wing on the issue. That is simply undeniable.

You can try to dismiss her bigotry for whatever reason you want, but it exists and should disqualify her as a candidate in the eyes of anyone who opposes Islamophobia and bigotry.
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« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2016, 10:01:06 PM »

I absolutely won't vote for her. She's an example of the weird, as Progressive called it, alt-left, which has more in common with Trump and the alt-right than with Progressivism or even Socialism. Yeah, she may have supported Sanders in the primary and joined the protesters at Standing Rock, for which she deserves applause, but her rebuking of anyone who criticizes the number of generals being put in Trump's cabinet and her aggressive association of ISIS with Islam, essentially stealing a page from the right-wing's playbook, discredits her in my eyes. Not only that, but her associations with the Hindu Nationalist BJP are undeniable; a party which has received international condemnation for its harsh treatment and racism towards Muslims. Sorry, but I don't think our country needs two bigoted Islamophobes at the top of national party tickets.

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You need to realize that radical Islam is a problem in America. You say it all the time about Christianity, stop pandering to Muslims and say the truth.
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« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2016, 10:03:44 PM »

The fact that so many of you, the people who are supposed to be the most ardent opponents of bigotry, are willing or are even enthusiastic to support an Islamophobe to head the Democratic ticket is appalling. There's photographic evidence of her open affiliation with the ruling Hindu nationalist party that's being internationally condemned for their violation of human rights and systemic discrimination against the Indian Muslim community. I guess it's ok when a Democrat is a bigot, so long as they have a D next to their name and support some progressive causes.

OH NO! Tulsi took a photo with an activist belonging to India's ruling party. She's also taken photos with members of India's Congress party.





It's almost like her "interest is in helping cultivate a closer relationship between the US and India, not just between the US and one political party of India."

That's a quote from her. Here's another:

"Both in India and here in the US, I have held meetings with members of both the BJP and the Congress party. I am known in America for being nonpartisan — I successfully work with Democrats and Republicans alike to get things done for the people."

Tell me again why you think she's an Islamophobe? Because that "photographic evidence" (lol) isn't convincing.

Here's a picture of Hillary embracing Robert Byrd:



Hillary must be affiliated with the KKK!

If it was merely photographic evidence of her friendliness with the Hindu nationalist party, then yes, that could be dismissed (although it'd still raise valid concerns). Rather, it's that, plus her eccentric and essentially right-wing views concerning terrorism and Islam. She has adopted the rhetoric of the right-wing on the issue. That is simply undeniable.

You can try to dismiss her bigotry for whatever reason you want, but it exists and should disqualify her as a candidate in the eyes of anyone who opposes Islamophobia and bigotry.

Again, what bigotry? Show me where Tulsi has shown herself to be an Islamophobic bigot. Having "right-wing" views concerning "radical Islamic terrorism" doesn't make a person a bigot.

I actually find her views concerning Islamism, Islam, and terrorism quite nuanced and level-headed. Her reputation as a Democrat who is "tough on terror" will probably help her during a general anyways.


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« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2016, 10:26:42 PM »

The fact that so many of you, the people who are supposed to be the most ardent opponents of bigotry, are willing or are even enthusiastic to support an Islamophobe to head the Democratic ticket is appalling. There's photographic evidence of her open affiliation with the ruling Hindu nationalist party that's being internationally condemned for their violation of human rights and systemic discrimination against the Indian Muslim community. I guess it's ok when a Democrat is a bigot, so long as they have a D next to their name and support some progressive causes.

OH NO! Tulsi took a photo with an activist belonging to India's ruling party. She's also taken photos with members of India's Congress party.





It's almost like her "interest is in helping cultivate a closer relationship between the US and India, not just between the US and one political party of India."

That's a quote from her. Here's another:

"Both in India and here in the US, I have held meetings with members of both the BJP and the Congress party. I am known in America for being nonpartisan — I successfully work with Democrats and Republicans alike to get things done for the people."

Tell me again why you think she's an Islamophobe? Because that "photographic evidence" (lol) isn't convincing.

Here's a picture of Hillary embracing Robert Byrd:



Hillary must be affiliated with the KKK!

If it was merely photographic evidence of her friendliness with the Hindu nationalist party, then yes, that could be dismissed (although it'd still raise valid concerns). Rather, it's that, plus her eccentric and essentially right-wing views concerning terrorism and Islam. She has adopted the rhetoric of the right-wing on the issue. That is simply undeniable.

You can try to dismiss her bigotry for whatever reason you want, but it exists and should disqualify her as a candidate in the eyes of anyone who opposes Islamophobia and bigotry.

Again, what bigotry? Show me where Tulsi has shown herself to be an Islamophobic bigot. Having "right-wing" views concerning "radical Islamic terrorism" doesn't make a person a bigot.

I actually find her views concerning Islamism, Islam, and terrorism quite nuanced and level-headed. Her reputation as a Democrat who is "tough on terror" will probably help her during a general anyways.

Therein lies the heart of our disagreement. I do believe right-wing views concerning Islam and terrorism are Islamophobic. While the association between some parts of political Islam and terrorism are irrefutable, using the phrase "Islamic terrorism" is essentially a dog whistle and it risks public officials validating the irrational fears and prejudice many in the public have towards Muslims and Islam. It also risks further alienating our Muslim allies and those in our own country, which would only exacerbate the problem of radicalization.
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« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2016, 10:31:59 PM »

I absolutely won't vote for her. She's an example of the weird, as Progressive called it, alt-left, which has more in common with Trump and the alt-right than with Progressivism or even Socialism. Yeah, she may have supported Sanders in the primary and joined the protesters at Standing Rock, for which she deserves applause, but her rebuking of anyone who criticizes the number of generals being put in Trump's cabinet and her aggressive association of ISIS with Islam, essentially stealing a page from the right-wing's playbook, discredits her in my eyes. Not only that, but her associations with the Hindu Nationalist BJP are undeniable; a party which has received international condemnation for its harsh treatment and racism towards Muslims. Sorry, but I don't think our country needs two bigoted Islamophobes at the top of national party tickets.

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You need to realize that radical Islam is a problem in America. You say it all the time about Christianity, stop pandering to Muslims and say the truth.

I don't recall having said anything about Christianity on this forum, and certainly not "all the time." And I don't need to "realize" something that doesn't exist outside of paranoid minds. The reality is that you're more likely to be the victim of a crazed Christian than a Muslim.

Also, it's funny how you conclude I'm "pandering to Muslims" by simply refusing to buy into paranoid, bigoted rhetoric about them. People are treating Muslims like they treated the Communists of last century - and it's pretty appalling.
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« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2016, 10:34:24 PM »
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I absolutely won't vote for her. She's an example of the weird, as Progressive called it, alt-left, which has more in common with Trump and the alt-right than with Progressivism or even Socialism. Yeah, she may have supported Sanders in the primary and joined the protesters at Standing Rock, for which she deserves applause, but her rebuking of anyone who criticizes the number of generals being put in Trump's cabinet and her aggressive association of ISIS with Islam, essentially stealing a page from the right-wing's playbook, discredits her in my eyes. Not only that, but her associations with the Hindu Nationalist BJP are undeniable; a party which has received international condemnation for its harsh treatment and racism towards Muslims. Sorry, but I don't think our country needs two bigoted Islamophobes at the top of national party tickets.

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You need to realize that radical Islam is a problem in America. You say it all the time about Christianity, stop pandering to Muslims and say the truth.

I don't recall having said anything about Christianity on this forum, and certainly not "all the time." And I don't need to "realize" something that doesn't exist outside of paranoid minds. The reality is that you're more likely to be the victim of a crazed Christian than a Muslim.

Also, it's funny how you conclude I'm "pandering to Muslims" by simply refusing to buy into paranoid, bigoted rhetoric about them. People are treating Muslims like they treated the Communists of last century - and it's pretty appalling.

Again, that does not mean that we take our eyes off what they are doing. 9/11. San Bernandino. Paris. Those were not Christians. The more Democrats coddle ISIS the more the voters will go to Trump's side. Gabbard is speaking the truth. Not all Muslims are saints, and not all Christians are saints, but the Democrats are making it seem like if all Christians are evil and all Muslims are good. Look at both sides.
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« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2016, 10:39:47 PM »

I absolutely won't vote for her. She's an example of the weird, as Progressive called it, alt-left, which has more in common with Trump and the alt-right than with Progressivism or even Socialism. Yeah, she may have supported Sanders in the primary and joined the protesters at Standing Rock, for which she deserves applause, but her rebuking of anyone who criticizes the number of generals being put in Trump's cabinet and her aggressive association of ISIS with Islam, essentially stealing a page from the right-wing's playbook, discredits her in my eyes. Not only that, but her associations with the Hindu Nationalist BJP are undeniable; a party which has received international condemnation for its harsh treatment and racism towards Muslims. Sorry, but I don't think our country needs two bigoted Islamophobes at the top of national party tickets.

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You need to realize that radical Islam is a problem in America. You say it all the time about Christianity, stop pandering to Muslims and say the truth.

I don't recall having said anything about Christianity on this forum, and certainly not "all the time." And I don't need to "realize" something that doesn't exist outside of paranoid minds. The reality is that you're more likely to be the victim of a crazed Christian than a Muslim.

Also, it's funny how you conclude I'm "pandering to Muslims" by simply refusing to buy into paranoid, bigoted rhetoric about them. People are treating Muslims like they treated the Communists of last century - and it's pretty appalling.

Again, that does not mean that we take our eyes off what they are doing. Not all Muslims are saints, and not all Christians are saints, but the Democrats are making it seem like if all Christians are evil and all Muslims are good. Look at both sides.

In any group of people you have good and bad, whether they're Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, Democrat, Republican, or whatever. We shouldn'treat any group as inherently bad unless there's something clearly stated in their beliefs, which they act upon, that'd validate such treatment (like the KKK and ISIS). That also doesn't mean we target a group of people for the actions of a few.
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« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2016, 11:00:05 PM »

Gabbard has some really sketchy cult connections that I feel would drag down the ticket. On policy though, I am a fan.

she has a lot of sketchy connections in general - including to SHELDON ADELSON, and is adored by Steve Bannon and other neo-nazis because she loves to just trash Obama as a weak commander in chief.
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« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2016, 02:56:48 AM »

I would love to see Tulsi run for President! Saying that there is a problem within Islam of Islamic terrorism and political Islam is just common sense. The more Democrats try to pussyfoot around it, the more they are going to lose to real fascists like Donald Trump.
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« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2016, 04:06:08 AM »

One of my first posts on this message board, I suggested a Tulsi Gabbard/Tom Perez ticket for 2020. I think she would be a great nominee. If she doesn't win the nomination she can use that platform in the future to run for Governor of Hawaii. I think the Democrats need to think outside the box a little bit and I really like her. No candidate is going to be perfect that runs for President. You want to run a candidate that can win and I think she can win against a Trump/Pence re-election.
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« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2016, 04:36:24 AM »

I wouldn't vote for Gabbard if she won, I can never vote for a supporter of BJP or Modi, as would be the case of Nepali-Americans, or in my case Nepali-Australian then american then again Australian, who can only vote in america-n. Not that it matters, but I also doubt, Pakistani and Bangladeshi-americans, can vote for such a person.
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« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2016, 11:40:49 AM »

I wouldn't vote for Gabbard if she won, I can never vote for a supporter of BJP or Modi, as would be the case of Nepali-Americans, or in my case Nepali-Australian then american then again Australian, who can only vote in america-n. Not that it matters, but I also doubt, Pakistani and Bangladeshi-americans, can vote for such a person.

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« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2016, 06:26:01 PM »

I get really confused by some people on this message board. I'm a registered Independent but I'll be supporting the nominee with the best chance to defeat Donald Trump, who in my eyes is nothing more than the worst that New York City represents inside Wall Street and as a businessman. People who say I can't support BJP or Modi, do you really even follow India politics or you just saying these things because Tulsi Gabbard's doesn't subscribe to identity politics which had a big reason for Hillary Clinton being narrowly defeated because instead of going after Trump on the issues, they went after his character, his supporters character and had no real substance during the debates or campaigning. That's what happens when you have a nominee who felt she was OWED the presidency and she didn't have to work for it.
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« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2016, 07:56:32 PM »

I wouldn't vote for Gabbard if she won, I can never vote for a supporter of BJP or Modi, as would be the case of Nepali-Americans, or in my case Nepali-Australian then american then again Australian, who can only vote in america-n. Not that it matters, but I also doubt, Pakistani and Bangladeshi-americans, can vote for such a person.



He's president, he has to, if he did it before his presidency, than I'd seriously question not voting for him.
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« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2016, 08:17:57 PM »

Tulsi Gabbard is one of the best Democrats around.  I hope so.
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« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2016, 08:32:12 PM »

Palling around with David Duke on Twitter tonight. Absolutely disgusting. I hope progressives in Hawaii primary her.
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« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2016, 08:39:58 PM »

Palling around with David Duke on Twitter tonight. Absolutely disgusting. I hope progressives in Hawaii primary her.

I wouldn't exactly consider David Duke retweeting her to be her "palling around" with him. She didn't say a word to or interact with him in any way, from what I could find.
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« Reply #73 on: December 16, 2016, 08:42:44 PM »

Palling around with David Duke on Twitter tonight. Absolutely disgusting. I hope progressives in Hawaii primary her.

I wouldn't exactly consider David Duke retweeting her to be her "palling around" with him. She didn't say a word to or interact with him in any way, from what I could find.

You have a lot of learn about anti-fact hack culture Smiley It's about creating a strong message.
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« Reply #74 on: December 16, 2016, 08:49:28 PM »

Palling around with David Duke on Twitter tonight. Absolutely disgusting. I hope progressives in Hawaii primary her.

Gabbard is a minority, I find it highly unlikely that she and Duke are friends.
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