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Mr. Reactionary
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« on: September 27, 2017, 07:27:28 AM »

No (Not a hack).
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2017, 08:51:15 AM »
« Edited: September 27, 2017, 09:07:57 AM by Mr. Reactionary »

http://www.researchforprogress.us/topic/436/fascism-neofascism/fascism-umberto-eco-slam-dunks-lawrence-britt/

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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2017, 06:16:10 PM »

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

True, since there were significantly fewer conservatives falsely labeling Obama as a communist compared to lefties falsely labeling Trump a nazi/fascist.

The point Moderate Democrat made though is true in that it is stupid to claim either Obama or Trump are Communists or Fascists respectively.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 06:32:40 PM »

No, that's like when conservatives kept calling Barack Obama a communist. It's stupid.

This is a logical fallacy known as 'false equivalence.'

True, since there were significantly fewer conservatives falsely labeling Obama as a communist compared to lefties falsely labeling Trump a nazi/fascist.

The point Moderate Democrat made though is true in that it is stupid to claim either Obama or Trump are Communists or Fascists respectively.

No, the false equivalence is that Obama had no communist tendencies, while Trump does, in fact, have many fascist tendencies.

Nice try though.

You must also not be familiar with the modern conservative movement if you truly believe that very few of them referred to Obama as a communist.  Most conservatives I know refer to Obama as a 'socialist' and believe that communism/socialism/liberalism are all the same thing.

Every conservative I've asked what they mean by 'socialist' (I've personally asked a few dozen and seen the same comment independently from probably at least 100 others) reply to me "the government giving poor people free stuff.'

So what "Fascist tendencies" are you referring to? I hope its not that joke list from page 1, because most of those "fascist tendencies" are not exclusive to fascism and can be applied to meanies from most ideologies, including Obama and Hillary.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2017, 07:58:12 PM »


If you think that list is a 'joke' then provide your definition of fascism.

That list is the standard definition of fascism used by many academic historians, though I have no doubt they debate aspects off it.  Again, the idea that the list can be applied to the likes of Obama is based on false equivalence.  There may be the odd example of Obama's eight year's in the White House that can fit into some of those 14 items, and a few more examples that can be stretched to fit, but there is nothing to the degree of Trump who acts as an 'aspirational fascist' virtually every day.

Fascism was an early 20th century Italian non-Marxist authoritarian restorationist movement. I'd hardly call meanie-head Trump reauthorizing government programs that were in existence under Bush and Clinton as having anything to do with Italian authoritarianism. I know you are being deliberately obtuse but it's still pretty amusing to see someone try and argue that Obama's military budget was somehow massively different than Trump's, or that Obama didn't start a bunch of foreign wars, or defend overzealous police tactics at the Supreme Court whenever it came up, or have disdain for human rights akin to Trump (FISA Courts; PRISM Spying; wiretapping the press corps; attacking the Supreme Court for protecting free speech; calls for gun bans; drone executions; eschewing due process in college hearings; regulatory takings; investigation parade floats and rodeo clowns; intrusive reporting requirements; etc.), or scapegoat bitter clingers and obstructionist rightwing terrorists who won't raise the debt ceiling, or protect the corporations he liked (Goldman-Sachs; University of Phoenix; Silicon Valley; Green Tech; Boeing; Etc.), or continue the steady march of the government towards criminalizing everything, and so on and so on.

The list on page 1 is a joke. The "characteristics" are so broad that they absolutely apply to pretty much any modern President. And it is an absolute fallacy to claim that because something is red and has 4 wheels and seatbelts, that it MUST be a Dodge Dakota pickup truck. I mean, I'm the conservative and you are the progressive. Why is it that I'm the one having to explain to you that sometimes new political ideologies can develop and that not everything must be a pre-existing belief set. You are basing your argument on the fact that Trump is re-implementing policies that were law 10 years. That is not Fascism, that's just him doing something you don't like. Not everyone you hate is literally Hitler.

Anyway, feel free to respond. I won't read it, because there is nothing more to say. You clearly have a warped, kindergarten understanding of what muh Fascism! is, so there really is no point in continuing.
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