Obama eyes Presidential bid

[Deano963]

Hillary is going to slap him back down to planet Earth. I'm going to love watching that primary.

Listening to Republicans make predictions about Democratic primaries is hilarious.

[Deano963]

Question to Obama supporters:

What exactly does Obama stand for in terms of ideology and not rhetoric?

Why don't you make an efort to look up his positions?

And secondly, how many well-known politicians (for example, Giuliani) do you know exactly or even have a good idea of where they stand in ideology?

[Deano963]

Even if he ran with Hillary or Gore?

Yes.

In any case, there's really no reason to run Obama as veep.

2016.  That's when we need Obama.  2008 is too early.

2016 is too late, and no one wants your hero Hillary.

I'm pretty sure that 2008 will be a "change" election rather than an "experience" election. Obama's relative inexperience can be spun into a positive, given the current political climate.

I disagree. With the state of war, we have to have a strong leader and a hawk on defense. McCain has experience. What the hell did Obama do? I know one thing he did...lie about serving his full six year term.

Yes - that's exactly what we need - a new President in 2008 whose position on Iraq is the same as George Bush. Putting another person who dosen't understand that invading Iraq was the worst strategic mistake in the history of U.S. is exactly what we need......

[Deano963]

Edwards was thought to be too inexperienced when he had 6 years in the senate. Obama running with 4 years behind him? Nah...I don't think the climate is right for change anyway, people need some experience to reassure them. Who is the least experienced president of modern times?

Abraham Lincoln had the same amount of experience as Obama when he was elected President.

And he is widley regarded as the best President in United States history.

[Deano963]

Hillary is going to slap him back down to planet Earth. I'm going to love watching that primary.

Listening to Republicans make predictions about Democratic primaries is hilarious.

It is hilarious that Hillary will be able to beat someone in a Presidential race. Too bad for you guys that it will only be a primary.

Given your track record (I seem to remember you were still confidently predicitng that Santorum would win reelection on Nov. 7th) on forecasting elections, I will give as much weight to your prediction as it rightly deserves.

In other words, none at all.

[Deano963]

Haha, Phil's anti-Obama rage has convinced me that he's the right choice. Republicans are terrified of this guy.

Rob that is so funny - I was just about to post the same thing!

Seriously , I think the fact that so many Republicans are freaking out and are trying to argue him down shows that they are scared of him and is appeal. Kind of like how Democrats do the same thing with John McCain (although McCain actually will be a weak candidate b/c of his Iraq position).

[Deano963]

Edwards was thought to be too inexperienced when he had 6 years in the senate. Obama running with 4 years behind him? Nah...I don't think the climate is right for change anyway, people need some experience to reassure them. Who is the least experienced president of modern times?

Abraham Lincoln had the same amount of experience as Obama when he was elected President.

That was then

Basically, I like Obama but his lack of experience may go against him. If he goes for it in 2008, he goes for it, if he doesn't he doesn't. Should he be the Democratic nominee, I'd gladly root for him but not until

Dave

And George Bush only had six years as Governor as experience when he was appointed President.

Seems times haven't changed all that much since Lincoln's day, huh, Dave?

[Deano963]

Given your track record (I seem to remember you were still confidently predicitng that Santorum would win reelection on Nov. 7th) on forecasting elections, I will give as much weight to your prediction as it rightly deserves.

In other words, none at all.

That's funny because I predicted every other Senate race correctly.

Show me the link.

[Deano963]

Seriously , I think the fact that so many Republicans are freaking out and are trying to argue him down shows that they are scared of him and is appeal.

I have always seriously worried about a Kucinich/McKinney landslide...

What does that idiotic statement have to do with what I said about Obama?

OOoooooooooooh.....I get it. You can't argue my point about Obama so you throw out the names of two unpopular Democrats to try to change the subject.

The kiddie table is at www.freerepublic.com Phil. If you can't talk with adults, I suggest you go there.

[Deano963]

Edwards was thought to be too inexperienced when he had 6 years in the senate. Obama running with 4 years behind him? Nah...I don't think the climate is right for change anyway, people need some experience to reassure them. Who is the least experienced president of modern times?

Abraham Lincoln had the same amount of experience as Obama when he was elected President.

That was then

Basically, I like Obama but his lack of experience may go against him. If he goes for it in 2008, he goes for it, if he doesn't he doesn't. Should he be the Democratic nominee, I'd gladly root for him but not until

Dave

And George Bush only had six years as Governor as experience when he was appointed President.

Seems times haven't changed all that much since Lincoln's day, huh, Dave?

In the grand scheme of things, 6 years as governor counts for more than 4 years as a senator. Mind you, I've never thought George W Bush up to the job of being president in the first place, but that's me - merely one opinion among many

Dave

6 years as Govenror would be a good background if he had been a good Governor, but he wasn't. He was a terrible one.

[Deano963]

6 years as Govenror would be a good background if he had been a good Governor, but he wasn't. He was a terrible one.

Don't know about terrible, probably mediocre, just like his presidency

Dave

I think you're either overly, overly generous or delsuional to say that this Presidency has been "mediocre". It's been an incompetent disaster at best.

[Deano963]

LOL!!!!!

You're right Phil - you sure predicted them all correctly!!

ROTFLMAO!!!

Just for the record, I posted some predictions in this thread awhile back - https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=43670.0 - I'll be commenting on a few of those races in this post but for those that I don't mention I want everyone to know that I stick with my predictions.



Connecticut - As recent polls have confirmed, Lieberman is favored to win this one and with some breathing room, too. When all is said and done, Joe is re-elected by over five points.

Independent pickup


Rhode Island - Chafee just isn't as strong as Whitehouse. It's going to stay close but the Dems will celebrate a narrow victory and a pickup. I'll say Whitehouse by two.

Dem pickup


New Jersey - Kean is gaining ground and while Menendez has the money to get his message out (make every connection he can between Bush/GOP establishment and Kean), he must fight off a federal investigation. I say that Kean wins this one by three points.

GOP pickup


Maryland - Smart move going with Cardin. Steele cannot attract enough black votes to contend with Cardin's advantage among white Dems. Cardin by eight to ten points.

Dem hold


Virginia - Allen has screwed up a bit and Webb is proving himself to be a fine candidate but the GOP will hang on. No double digit win for the first term Senator but a fairly comfortable margin of victory - Allen by six.

GOP hold


Tennessee - Ford is picking up steam but it is not enough. Conservative Republicans might stay home on Election day since there is no competitive Governor's race and Corker is far from their favorite (we all know how I feel about Mr. Corker, too). Ford also benefits from Bredesen being on the ticket and an anti-GOP feeling this year. All those things considered, though, I still think Corker wins this one with ease. Corker by eight.

GOP hold


Ohio - State GOP is in terrible shape, Strickland's coattails, DeWine is a weak campaigner, Brown is an energetic candidate...there was one point earilier in the year when I thought the GOP wouldn't have to worry about this seat. I believed that the Dems made a mistake by going with Brown but it turns out that a number of things have helped out Brown and the Dems in general in the Buckeye State. Mike DeWine is not like the Junior Senator from Pennsylvania - he won't turn this race around but it'll be close (if that means anything to a state party that will be hit with major defeats this year) - Brown by four.

Dem pickup


Missouri - I think this seat will be cursed with close races forever. In 2000, Aschcroft lost to Carnahan by roughly two points. Because of Missouri law the seat was up again just two years later due to the appointment of Carnahan's wife. Jean lost the seat by about two points to Talent. Now four years later we find yet another close race in the Show Me State. The polls have told us that the lead is flipping back and forth and no candidate is ever up by much. I have a feeling that Talent will be able to pull through - Talent by four.

GOP hold


Pennsylvania - He's staying, guys. Santorum wins by two three to four points.

GOP hold


Montana - Burns will catch up (he is almost down by double digits) but it won't be enough. Montanans think it's Tester time...and it should be entertaining. He might not look like your typical Senator but come November he'll be sitting in the most elite club in the country (and some would argue the most elite in the world). How quickly will the Tester hair fashion spread? Tester wins by three.

Dem pickup



The final breakdown will be:

GOP - 53
Dem - 45
Ind - 2*

*Two Independents (Sanders and Lieberman) will caucus with the Dems. There will be at least one official Independent (Sanders). It has yet to be seen whether or not Lieberman will officially align himself as a Dem or just as an Independent caucusing with the Dems. Regardless, the final breakdown, in my current prediction, will be 53 Republicans - 47 Dems/Inds

Nice job showing your predictions from three days before the Elections, Hack. The difference between me and you is that I made all of the correct predictions (including Santorum losing) months before the election, when you only changed yours in the last few days to reflect evolvoing CW b/c you can't predict worth a damn on your own and also to avoid embarrassment for your earlier terrible predictions.

[Deano963]

Yes, because in your opinion, pointing out weaknesses equates to fear of the mentioned candidates so why shouldn't the same be applied to Kucinich/McKinney?

LOL.

Again simple logic is lost on you Hack. You try to change the subject to two pols who are completely irrelevant to the toipic b/c you are not intelligent enough to repsond to something I said. Phil, you're pathetic, and the best part is that you are putting it all out there for everyone to see just how ignorant you are. Keep it up buddy!!

Deano, I have talking with the adults here for a very long time. You are one of the recent additions, widely regarded as one of the premier annoyances. Please don't lecture me on where to go. Thanks.

Like I said Phil, the kiddie table is that way. Go over there before you embarrass yourself again. You shouldn't try to argue with adults.

P.S. - I'll continue winning arguments while I'm at it and you'll continue your whiny, nasty comments towards everyone.

I'll let you know if you ever win an argument against me Phil. Up until this point, you haven't. But keep telling yourself that your idiotic ramblings about Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney (wtf??) qualify as an intelligent argument and that they won you an argument. Your fantasy dream land you live in is a strange place indeed.......

Keep the idiocy coming Phil! I love it!:)

[Deano963]

Good job on the New Jersey prediction there, genius.

What happened?

Let me guess - little Kean Jr. jumped ahead in one or two polls in early September and you got all antsy-pantsy and excited?

That's so cute.......

[Deano963]

LOL.

Again simple logic is lost on you Hack. You try to change the subject to two pols who are completely irrelevant to the toipic b/c you are not intelligent enough to repsond to something I said. Phil, you're pathetic, and the best part is that you are putting it all out there for everyone to see just how ignorant you are. Keep it up buddy!!

You said the pointing out weaknesses means people are afraid. Everyone points out the weaknesses of those two therefore we must be afraid of their chances. It's really quite simple. Sit down, little boy, and think about what you said and then read what I said.

I can't believe you are still trying to spin your ignorance and inability to argue against me about Obama as something that has anything whatsoever to do with what we were talking about. Your childish behavior gets funnier all the time.

You must REALLY like getting creamed in arguments, b/c it is all I ever see you do.

[Deano963]

LOL.

Again simple logic is lost on you Hack. You try to change the subject to two pols who are completely irrelevant to the toipic b/c you are not intelligent enough to repsond to something I said. Phil, you're pathetic, and the best part is that you are putting it all out there for everyone to see just how ignorant you are. Keep it up buddy!!

You said the pointing out weaknesses means people are afraid. Everyone points out the weaknesses of those two therefore we must be afraid of their chances. It's really quite simple. Sit down, little boy, and think about what you said and then read what I said.

I can't believe you are still trying to spin your ignorance and inability to argue against me about Obama as something that has anything whatsoever to do with what we were talking about. Your childish behavior gets funnier all the time.

You must REALLY like getting creamed in arguments, b/c it is all I ever see you do.

Oh, wait, I see. So pointing out problems with Obama means fear but for anyone else it isn't? Makes sense, hacko. 

I'm sorry girlie....what is the topic of this thread.....is it "Obama eyes Presidential bid" or "Cynthia McKinney eyes Presidnetial bid"? I thought so.

You talking about her would be as stupid as me bringing up Tom Delay in the same conversation.

The difference is I am smart enough to realize this. You, on the other hand........not so much.



UPDATE
Phil: Another thing that sets us apart is that I do not go crying to the moderator when I lose an argument like you do.

[Deano963]

I'm sorry girlie....what is the topic of this thread.....is it "Obama eyes Presidential bid" or "Cynthia McKinney eyes Presidnetial bid"? I thought so.

Deano, you'll never mature. Such a pity. 

Yup. Just what I predicted you would say.

Out of your league, Phil.

[Deano963]

I'm sorry girlie....what is the topic of this thread.....is it "Obama eyes Presidential bid" or "Cynthia McKinney eyes Presidnetial bid"? I thought so.

Deano, you'll never mature. Such a pity. 

Yup. Just what I predicted you would say.

Out of your league, Phil.

No, hacko, the point remains that whether you are talking about Obama or Clinton or McKinney or Bayh or whoever, you said that when people bring up weaknesses that they are truly afraid of that candidate. Why would that just be the case for Obama? It makes no sense, child. I win again. Deal with it.

You are so uneducated an incapable of making an intellignet argument that I am literally crying b/c I am laughing so hard.

I'll say it again Phil - out of your league.

You lose - again. For the millionth time.

[Deano963]

ON my way home from work tonight, both Michael Reagon on Channel 144 and John Gibson on Channel 145 were terrified of Obama. They were both pleading with Republicans to nominate a "moderate" Republican like John McCain or Rudy Guiliani if they wanted a chance to beat Obama.

No bullsh*t.

Hmmm......smart Republicans on the radio? I've never encountered such a thing.

Blasphemy, I say.