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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« on: March 31, 2016, 10:04:14 PM »

Biggest problem is that many "douchebag" states still have to vote, and by that I mean states filled with people who put cheesewiz on their sandwich, talk with a rough and tough accent, wifebeater-sporting, etc. I am of course referring to PA, upstate and even NYC, and worst of all NJ, a very nasty state. Trump does well with vulgar and crude voters.

off topic, but who wins Montana? Cruz or Trump?


Cruz

Trump. It's an open primary and Trump will only be up to 200 delegates short on that day, so Montana win could be crucial and will motivate his people to turn out and vote.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2016, 10:06:16 PM »

Biggest problem is that many "douchebag" states still have to vote, and by that I mean states filled with people who put cheesewiz on their sandwich, talk with a rough and tough accent, wifebeater-sporting, etc. I am of course referring to PA, upstate and even NYC, and worst of all NJ, a very nasty state. Trump does well with vulgar and crude voters.

off topic, but who wins Montana? Cruz or Trump?


Cruz

You sure? Seems like a strong TRUMP state. Although I could be completely wrong, thats why I was asking Marty.

Marty is an anti-Trump hack who resorted to lying about the poll results in Iowa. I wouldn't trust him on anything.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2016, 11:09:26 PM »
« Edited: March 31, 2016, 11:13:32 PM by Ljube »

There is no proof that either Cruz or Rubio would do better than Trump in the general election.

Cruz is an ideological candidate of the GOP conservative wing. If we look at the past results, we can only expect him to do extraordinarily bad in the general and to impact the downballot races somewhat. No guarantee the GOP will keep the Senate with Cruz, though the House should be safe.

Rubio is a lightweight, but he would probably be better than Cruz, again judging by past election results. The GOP might keep the Senate with him.

Trump is a wildcard. he loses a lot of votes in solid Republican states and in solid Democratic states. Some of the traditional swing states are out of reach for him. But he plays very well in a number of key swing states and in some traditionally Democratic states. He may expand the map for the GOP.

The thing is, with the map being the way it is, I can't imagine a GOP win with any of the candidates save Trump, for he alone can expand the map to states which normally would be considered safe or likely D (PA and MI).
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,067
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E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2016, 11:14:09 PM »

The thing is, with the map being the way it is, I can't imagine a GOP win with any of the candidates save Trump, for he alone cane expand the map to states which normally would be considered safe or likely D (PA and MI).

Kasich would have won this election.

Based on what?
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2016, 11:20:19 PM »


Common sense. Any decent Republican would have won this election against Clinton. (not an idiot who believes in the solid 270 blue wall)

Of course. I don't believe in the blue wall either. And yes, Kasich is a statist, so he could win Virginia. He would also win Ohio. Can't see him losing Ohio.

Kasich doesn't motivate the voters to turn out. Neither does Hillary. The election would be similar to 2000.

Florida would be the key battleground state and Iowa/Colorado too. Tell me how Kasich wins Florida and one of the Iowa/Colorado.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,067
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2016, 11:24:42 PM »

Florida would be the key battleground state and Iowa/Colorado too. Tell me how Kasich wins Florida and one of the Iowa/Colorado.

Uh.... so Kasich is less likely to win Florida, Iowa and Colorado than Trump? Stop trolling. FL is always a swing state, there's no reason to believe it would be solid D with Kasich.

No, I'm saying that Kasich has to win those states or he is toast. Trump has the option to win Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2016, 11:33:12 PM »

Trump has the option to win Michigan and Pennsylvania.
False. In a Trump vs. Hillary election, best care scenario for Trump is that swing states are Missouri, Arizona, Indiana and Georgia. Everything that Obama won in 2012 is gone, plus North Carolina.

Based on what? I mean, I know you don't like Trump, but it's not like he's gonna lose Kansas or Missouri. Let's be real.
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Ljube
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 6,067
Political Matrix
E: 2.71, S: -6.09

« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2016, 11:38:16 PM »

Trump has the option to win Michigan and Pennsylvania.
False. In a Trump vs. Hillary election, best care scenario for Trump is that swing states are Missouri, Arizona, Indiana and Georgia. Everything that Obama won in 2012 is gone, plus North Carolina.

Based on what? I mean, I know you don't like Trump, but it's not like he's gonna lose Kansas or Missouri. Let's be real.

trump is going to depress turnout in heavily-religious ancestrally-Republican southwest Missouri a great deal. It may not be enough for him to lose the state, but it would be very hotly contested between him and Hillary. (He'll have lost anyway and Hillary will just be trying to run up the score at that point, of course).

Of course. In your Trump-hating dream land.
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