Italy 2013 official results thread

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Disappointingly strong for Monti.

Revoluzione?

2% or 3%

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Disastrous results for everyone but Grillo...

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Plenty of other absolutely vile people also served as PM during the Pentapartito era.

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wtf Messina?!

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I'm not sure how you can honestly spin dropping from 47% to 29% as anything other than a dire result. It just happens that the Opposition did horribly as well. That it could have been (and did for a while look entirely plausible, even likely) a lot worse for Berlusconi doesn't change that. Like it or not, this is a watershed election; Italian political life no longer revolves around Berlusconi and its most important actor (for now at least) is clearly Grillo.

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Ok, Al. When he's expected to be blown out, I'll "spin" a 0.4% loss as a victory any day of the week. Let's not forget the people around here dancing when PdL was polling around 12-15%. But don't worry. There will be an excuse for this, too!

I suppose you're entitled to be relieved that it was merely a catastrophic result (and that it looks comparably less catastrophic because the Opposition did badly as well) rather than a DC-in-1994 style annihilation.

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Using the PR figures for 1994, 1996 and 2001, in 1994 Berlusconi's coalition polled 46.3%, in 1996 it polled 42.1%, in 2001 it polled 49.5%, in 2006 it polled 49.7%, in 2008 it polled 46.8% and in 2013... 29.1%.

Of course, the composition of that coalition has always been prone to change. If we look at the results for the PdL from 2008 and the combined Forza Italia/AN vote previously...

1994 - 34.5%, 1996 - 36.2%, 2001 - 41.4%, 2006 - 36.1%, 2008 - 37.4%, 2013 - 21.5%

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Yeah, that's me as a politician, or close enough. And one reason (of, like, seventy thousand) why I have absolutely no intention whatsoever of becoming one.

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Of course he's not actually wrong.

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Because the DC establishment there was mostly left-wing and is now in the PD.

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Renzi is from a DC background, Bersani was a Commie.

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It does seem like a fundamental misreading of why Grillo did so extraordinarily well, yes.

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If they're just gonna put in another technocratic government, what the hell's the point in even having an election in the first place?

Very undemocratic.

Not their fault that 25% voted for a mentally unstable troll whose sole goal seems to be destroying the country.

I thought Berlusconi did a bit better than 25%?