Italy 2013 official results thread

[MaxQue]

Italy and the US are just about the only "true" bicameral countries left in the world.

Left has taken the lead in Calabria fwiw.

In Piedmont, too.

[MaxQue]

23% in from "swing" Sicily - Berlusconi up 5%.

Yet, he leads in only 2 provinces on 9, funnily.

[MaxQue]

Left took the lead in Lazio.

[MaxQue]

Berlusconi lead in Sicilia is down to 3.4 (over Grillo), Bersani being one behind Grillo.

[MaxQue]

Berlusconi lead in Sicilia is down to 3.4 (over Grillo), Bersani being one behind Grillo.

Large population areas that are going strongly for Berlusconi make up most of the non-reporting areas.

Sure, but, that lead is still continuing to decrease for now (3.1, now).

[MaxQue]

Piemonte lead is down to less than a thousand votes.

Call it for Il Cav now.

More than half of the outstanding precincts are in Torino, which voted for the Left.

[MaxQue]

Apparently the new parliament won't meet till March 15. So how does the Italian government formation process work? When does Bersani get asked by Napolitano to form a government? Gets his commission and then tries to cobble a Senate coalition together? Or simply say "sorry, can't do it" and recommend an early election?

It's impossible for the President to dissolve Parliament in the last 6 months of his term, I read.

[MaxQue]

Silvio is demanding a recount.

Here. We. Go.

And for which reasons they would grant him one?

[MaxQue]

The Constitutional Court said no in 2006 when the margin was 0.1%, why would they give him one now with 0.4%? Hopefully certification comes through soon if it hasn't already. Still a couple of precincts in Lazio outstanding.

Which had to be for some bizarre reason. I'll never understand how there isn't a recount when the margin is that small. Closer to 0.5%, ok but 0.1%? That's an injustice. And I'm not saying Prodi wouldn't have won but how do you not recount the vote in that instance?

Phil, do you realize that a 100,000 vote margin is generally incontestable (and uncontested) in most European countries? The only reason the US has so many recounts is that you pathetically suck at properly counting votes.

I acknowledge your latter point. Believe me, I understand. But you honestly don't believe a 0.1% margin is worth another look?

Depends of what the margin in vote is.

[MaxQue]

From what I have seen Italians living in Europe re very supportive of Monti while Italians in Italy don't seem to like him that much.  Can someone explain why?

Less touched by austerity, I suppose.

[MaxQue]

From what I have seen Italians living in Europe re very supportive of Monti while Italians in Italy don't seem to like him that much.  Can someone explain why?

Less touched by austerity, I suppose.

Well yes, but why would they support Monti?

They are right-wing and are ashamed by Berlusconi, which is in International news all the time for bad reasons?

[MaxQue]

So are separate Senate elections allowed or not? That'd be the easiest way to break this deadlock.

Answer:

Yes, it's written in the article 88 of the Constitution (the same one which is banning the President dissolving them in the last 6 months of his term).

[MaxQue]

In North America Senate, the PdL incumbent from Montreal was beaten by a PD candidate from Vancouver, from what I see.

Surprised than USA isn't getting someone to be elected there.

[MaxQue]

I think the likeliest option here is that without Grillo's blessing some M5S Senators back a leftist coalition anyway and, Bersani manages to form some kind of monster with Monti and a minority of M5S Senators which lasts until 2014-16 and then collapses. Which would then usher in another, final Berlusconi term.

In 2016? When Berlusconi is 79?

It wouldn't surprise me. I personally think he will lead PdL until he is too sick or dies.

[MaxQue]

BTW, why did the left win in such a landslide in Molise? Frattura ended up 19 points ahead, somehow, despite the region being basically tied at the Senate/House levels.

With M5S around, it's impressive to win something by more than 10 points.

[MaxQue]

If they're just gonna put in another technocratic government, what the hell's the point in even having an election in the first place?

Very undemocratic.

Well, a government must be appointed and none is possible. The only possible option is a technical government until an election can be held. And none can be held until a new President is elected in May.

[MaxQue]

Could Pd prop up a clown minority government, and kill it when it does something stupid?

I suppose so, but why they would do that, especially when they have the majority in the House?

[MaxQue]

I was sure Courmayeur was in France. It's a known ski resort in the Alps and since it had a French name, I thought it was in France. Still, it's easier to write than other ski resorts (like Garmish-Partenkitchen, sorry for spelling).

Which kind of party is «Vallée d'Aoste» ?