arkansas

[Josh/Devilman88]

Because Arkansas is a racist state. End of story.

[Josh/Devilman88]

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

... which is completely ignorant of the growth in the Research Triangle, what the white vote is outside of that area, the amount of money Obama spent in various media markets, the personal Clinton vote, and so many other things.

It not called the Research Triangle, its called the Triangle. Research Triangle Park is a research park inside the Triangle. Anyways, there are other large metro areas in NC then the Triangle. Like the Triad metro, Charottle metro, Asheville metro.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yea, Al's on the right track. Arkansas whites are no more or less racist than whites in other similar parts of the south.

If Obama had spent a crap load of money in Arkansas like he did in North Carolina and Virginia and to some extent Georgia he probably could've done a lot better. He chose not to, and thus did not do well there.

The Clintons being from there also probably cost him a 1-2% personal vote.

Hmm no. What you and Al are not looking at is how the white voters in NC and AR vote in elections. Lets take 2004 vs 2008..


AR: 2004: 63-36 vs. 2008: 68-30.

Then look at NC.

NC: 2004: 73-27 vs.  2008: 64-35

Like Meeker said, that ignores some very important pieces of information.  As I've said, it is important to remember that Obama basically lived in places like VA, NC, OH, etc., while he barely ever visited AR.  It makes a huge difference.

Obama did that because them states were polling close to start with, AR was never close. If obama ran ads and went to AR he may( and that is a big MAY) have kept McCain MOV to 10%.

So then why aren't you calling Utah racist?  Because Obama didn't really do anything there, and got crushed.  Your argument makes no sense to me.

UT trended left, unlike AR which trended strongly to the right. Also Democrat always get killed in UT. AR is a democratic friendly state.

AR is only friendly when a native son (or adopted daughter) is on the ticket.  Kerry lost badly, so did Gore.

Gore lost by 5% and Kerry lost by 9%, I wouldn't call that badly. Obama(the black guy) lost by 20%.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Remember, Dukakis lost by 15.  Arkansas is trending rightward, and having a nominee who is fairly liberal and spent no money or time there didn't help.  You want to see racism, so you can pound your chest and say you're better than them.

No, I can care less if the are racist or not. I see racism because thats why Obama lost so badly.

[Josh/Devilman88]

ben, what makes you think it's not racism?

[Josh/Devilman88]

ben, what makes you think it's not racism?

I do think there's a little bit of racism involved, but no more than 1-2%.  I think a lot of it has to do with an overall trend rightward amongst Arkansans, the fact that Obama is pretty liberal, spent no money or time on the state, and that there was nobody to contradict the lies that were spread without Obama.

Everything you said was right, but the percent that racism cost Obama. I believe if Obama wasn't black he would have lost by 10% or 11%.