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Question: Who does a white male worker have more in common with?
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His black female coworker
 
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Their white male boss
 
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« on: March 30, 2015, 10:00:55 PM »

His fellow wage slave, of course.

The working class and the employing class have nothing in common.
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2015, 07:29:26 AM »

he can get a promotion but he can't change race. obviously option 2.
Not everything is defined by race.
it certainly defines more of someone's identity than some ephemeral economic position.

Not really, as the workers are definitely more likely to have the same sort of life experiences (with some obvious exceptions, such as the white worker being less likely to be stopped by police for being in the 'wrong neighborhood' or being shot to death during a routine traffic stop) than are two people of the same race but a different class position. A white employer is never going to experience the kind of economic privation that either worker in question is. He or she is never going to have to worry about putting food on the table, putting a child through school, or not having health insurance. Discounting all of that, and instead arguing that the white worker and the white boss have more in common with one another than the white worker and the black worker is discounting the possibility of the latter two to come together and effectively mitigate their exploitation by the boss.

Historical experience shows us that workers of different racial and ethnic backgrounds can come together and do come together precisely because of their shared experience as workers. The CIO was built on that very basis and probably did more to advance the black struggle for freedom in this country than any other institution. And, in the early part of the 1970s, working class communities were again coming together, regardless of the color line, to challenge the bosses. They lost, and as a result we got neoliberalism and the politics of identity and difference. Race is not something that exists between classes, it's something that exists within classes. The white worker and the black worker live in segregated communities and have different lived experiences precisely because the bosses (of all races and of all genders; women CEOs and black CEOs are just as much class enemies as white CEOs) because the bosses have a vital interest in keeping them apart - because the last time they came together, they caused enough of a ruckus to precipitate four decades of neoliberal assault.
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2015, 08:44:57 AM »

Class differences are the only things separating people.

That is absurd. Gender, culture and religion can be just as influential and personality is a factor as well.

i think he's doing an april fool's day joke Tongue

Well, it is hard to remember all the new posters, but on second thought I recall he is a right winger.

fair enough. i could definitely see one of our marxist-meninists saying something like this.

Sure, if you've ignored everything I've ever posted on the subject:

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I seem to recall you referring to abortion on demand and any stage of pregnancy as something akin to infanticide in the not too distant past. How can you seriously claim the title of feminist while also arguing that an arbitrary line drawn by the state should prevail over her bodily autonomy?
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2015, 09:18:53 AM »

I seem to recall you calling for the death of abortion doctors, so I'm not sure you've got the moral high ground here, DC (not that I really subscribe to the idea that murder is inherently immoral, because I reject Christian 'morality' entirely).
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2015, 06:21:02 AM »

     Realistically, the fellow doesn't have much in common with either his boss or his coworker. This is the sort of question that appeals to your internet socialist, because they've never really gone out and spoken to other people. If they have, those people are discredited as "bourgeois" or whatever other handy adjective exists.

Please continue to tell me how I, a guy with four jobs, have never "really gone out and spoken to other people." Part of each of my jobs involves working with and speaking with other people, given that three of them are in retail and the other is as a substitute teacher. I'm really getting rather tired of these generalizations from people who have probably never really interacted with socialists themselves, and who just repeat these tired stereotypes about pampered radicals who never set foot off a college campus.
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