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Michael Z
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« on: April 08, 2004, 04:01:45 PM »
« edited: April 08, 2004, 04:02:14 PM by Michael Z »

You may think I'm crazy but Iraq is too divided and it's recent history has been far too ugly for it ever to be a viable entity. I fear the place is going to descend into catastrophic civil war. Either it should be split into separate states (Kurd, Turkish, Sunni & Shi'a) or it should be allowed to return to dictatorship. Democracy simply won't work. Democracies evolve over many years/decades, they simply can't be enforced where there isn't a will.

It was clear from the start to everyone but the Bush administration (whose naivety and short-sightedness never ceases to amaze me) that Iraq would be extremely hard to keep together. It was basically created out of nowhere by the British after the fall of the Ottoman Empire for no reason other than it looked nice on the map. Whoever thought it was a good idea to put Kurds, Sunnis and Shi'a into one nation and not expect decades of conflict must have been off their tree.

Anyway, in my view we should work towards transferring UN rule in Iraq, as an interim phase before installing a fully fledged democracy.
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Michael Z
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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2004, 07:01:17 PM »

you guys are nuke-maniacs - don't you see it can destroy the WORLD

No, I don't see how a few nukes in the Middle East would destroy the world.  But I wouldn't mind fire-bombing.. burning people alive a'la Dresden makes a good impression.

I'll let you know that part of my grandfather's family was wiped out in Dresden.
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Michael Z
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2004, 07:11:09 PM »

you guys are nuke-maniacs - don't you see it can destroy the WORLD

No, I don't see how a few nukes in the Middle East would destroy the world.  But I wouldn't mind fire-bombing.. burning people alive a'la Dresden makes a good impression.

I'll let you know that part of my grandfather's family was wiped out in Dresden.

As were many.. it was contributory to winning the war.

Perhaps, but this doesn't explain why you would gleefully talk about my ancestors being burned alive.

Besides, it obviously didn't occur to you that maybe you should just apologise for making such an insensitive remark.
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Michael Z
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2004, 07:51:56 AM »

you guys are nuke-maniacs - don't you see it can destroy the WORLD

No, I don't see how a few nukes in the Middle East would destroy the world.  But I wouldn't mind fire-bombing.. burning people alive a'la Dresden makes a good impression.

I'll let you know that part of my grandfather's family was wiped out in Dresden.

As were many.. it was contributory to winning the war.

Perhaps, but this doesn't explain why you would gleefully talk about my ancestors being burned alive.

Besides, it obviously didn't occur to you that maybe you should just apologise for making such an insensitive remark.

WWII involved a lot more than insensitivity, it involved intelligent use of genocide to win the war.  I'm advocating the same now.  But on a personal level, though I'm glad Dresden was firebombed, I'm sorry to hear your relatives happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Thanks, I know you weren't directly trying to offend me or anything.

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I've no idea if I'm honest. I guess it could be argued that most people participated simply by doing nothing to stop the evils of Hitler... though I know for a fact that my grandfather was a staunch communist, which probably makes him just as bad in your eyes (lol, just kidding). He didn't have an easy life, at one point he was attacked with crowbars and suffered slight brain damage. But then his beliefs did save his life during Russian imprisonment (he was indeed sent to Russia), so I guess the story has an ironic happy ending of sorts.
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