Canada Expels Indian diplomat after accusing India of killing their citizen on Canadian Soil

[Red Velvet]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-25/modi-s-party-linked-with-most-hate-speech-in-india-report-finds

"Modi’s Party Linked With Most Hate Speech in India, Report Finds"

Collective West MSN to Modi: Play ball or you will soon be lumped in with Trump, Putin, and other undesirables

As if people, especially outside Western sphere, cared about what mainstream media have to say about them. India (or Bharat) levels of nationalism these days are so absurdly high that it’s more likely that they turn India against them more than exercise any actual pressure on Modi.

[Aurelius2]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-25/modi-s-party-linked-with-most-hate-speech-in-india-report-finds

"Modi’s Party Linked With Most Hate Speech in India, Report Finds"

Collective West MSN to Modi: Play ball or you will soon be lumped in with Trump, Putin, and other undesirables

As if people, especially outside Western sphere, cared about what mainstream media have to say about them. India (or Bharat) levels of nationalism these days are so absurdly high that it’s more likely that they turn India against them more than exercise any actual pressure on Modi.

Presumably this is for domestic Canadian consumption. Canadian social media is currently under siege from a massive troll army of Modi bhakts.

[PSOL]

When the west did jack s••• after Khashoggis death, people got the clue that its open season on dissidents.

[eos]

The ruling BJP and opposition INC are both nationalist parties. INC is left-wing nationalist, no different to many left-wing nationalists in the "global south". The present Indian government would have been under more internal pressure if Canada explicitly attacked Modi/BJP for something like "fascism", which could have motivated the opposition to take up the issue for domestic political reasons. Framing the incident in terms of "India's misdeed" means this is not going to happen now.

On the other hand, the Khalistani aspect means that this incident was never going to pass muster with INC anyway. Khalistan has a special meaning to INC, which sees itself as having confronted a major threat to India's territorial integrity in the 1980s and 1990s. For domestic reasons, BJP was conversely soft/silent on Khalistani militancy and attacked INC governments for presiding over human rights violations in military operations against Khalistani militants. Of course, BJP also has a substantial number of Likud type secular cultural nationalist conservatives who greatly dislike Khalistani nationalism and those within BJP that want to integrate Sikh nationalist grievances as a political discourse against INC.

[CumbrianLefty]

When the west did jack s••• after Khashoggis death, people got the clue that its open season on dissidents.

This is indeed a reasonable point.

The reaction of most in the West to that was very telling (and not in a good way)

[jaichind]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/s-jaishankar-in-us-amid-row-with-canada-over-khalistani-terrorist-murder-4427006

"Had Told Canada "This Is Not India's Policy": S Jaishankar In US Amid Row"

Note that India Foreign Minister Jaishankar does not say "We did not do this" but "This Is Not India's Policy" when asked about Trudeau's claims.

[jaichind]

Pence's brother and GOP member of the House came out against India in this affair.    I think it is related to Pence being the anti-Trump.  Trump was close to Modi, so Modi must be bad ergo one has to back Canada against Modi.

https://twitter.com/RepGregPence/status/1706687136978599975

[CumbrianLefty]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/s-jaishankar-in-us-amid-row-with-canada-over-khalistani-terrorist-murder-4427006

"Had Told Canada "This Is Not India's Policy": S Jaishankar In US Amid Row"

Note that India Foreign Minister Jaishankar does not say "We did not do this" but "This Is Not India's Policy" when asked about Trudeau's claims.

That is quite possibly close to the actual truth, the chances this was someone "freelancing" without the actual approval from above must be fairly high.

[jaichind]

That is quite possibly close to the actual truth, the chances this was someone "freelancing" without the actual approval from above must be fairly high.

Reminds me of the 1984 assassination of Henry Liu by the KMT-linked Chinese mafia in CA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Liu

In theory, Henry Liu ran afoul of the KMT by writing an unauthorized biography of Chiang the Younger who was the ROC Prez at the time.    But the type of stuff he wrote in that book was fairly mild compared to all sorts of other books out there about the Chinag family.   It was always understood that the assassination had more to do with infer-faction rivalries within the ROC intelligence unit including their mafia affiliates plus the fact that Henry Liu was double and triple crossing ROC PRC and USA intelligence by working with and betraying all 3 parties at once.    This plot was hatched by a faction within ROC intelligence and clearly had not clearance from above.

Anyway the USA was steamed that this took place on their soil and in the aftermath the ROC intelligence unit had to be totally reorganized.  

Fun fact: One of the Chinese mafia hitmen who did the deed is the younger brother of a good friend of my mother.  He was a black sheep (by being in the Chinese mafia) of an otherwise very respectable family and it was only years later did my mother learned from her friend that her younger brother was part of the assassination group of this famous incident.

[All Along The Watchtower]

When the west did jack s••• after Khashoggis death, people got the clue that its open season on dissidents.

Alexander Litvinenko's murder 17 years ago, and the attempted murder of the Skripals months before Khashoggi's murder didn't exactly result in serious consequences for the culprits either.

[jaichind]

https://www.ft.com/content/9663a97e-9ee3-4b70-a804-38ccbe432203

"India tells Canada to withdraw dozens of diplomatic staff"

[jaichind]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna121343

"Canada removes 41 diplomats from India after New Delhi threatens to revoke their immunity"

[jaichind]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gurpatwant-singh-pannun-sikh-khalistan-india-us-b2451626.html

"US warns India over plot to kill Sikh separatist in New York, report says"

[jaichind]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-29/us-indictment-details-alleged-indian-plot-to-murder-sikh-leader

"US Accuses Indian Agent in Plot to Kill US Citizen in NY"

[Angel of Death]

Three arrested and charged over Sikh activist's killing in Canada

[OSR stands with Israel]

Three arrested and charged over Sikh activist's killing in Canada

So it seems like Trudeau lied in an attempt to get a rally around the flag effect. Not surprised given his history and it seems like it didnt work and Polievre is still up 20+ points in the polls.

Anyway from what it looks like , this if anything would be blamed on Trudeau's failed immigration policies

[lfromnj]

They came through on a student Visa scam.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Three arrested and charged over Sikh activist's killing in Canada

So it seems like Trudeau lied in an attempt to get a rally around the flag effect. Not surprised given his history and it seems like it didnt work and Polievre is still up 20+ points in the polls.

Anyway from what it looks like , this if anything would be blamed on Trudeau's failed immigration policies

Your support for India's insane government is pathetic.

Wouldn't be surprised if it turns out they are involved somehow. India is quickly devolving into a one-party fascist state and I wouldn't put murdering overseas dissidents past them. Especially when they called him a "Khalistani terrorist."

[OSR stands with Israel]

Three arrested and charged over Sikh activist's killing in Canada

So it seems like Trudeau lied in an attempt to get a rally around the flag effect. Not surprised given his history and it seems like it didnt work and Polievre is still up 20+ points in the polls.

Anyway from what it looks like , this if anything would be blamed on Trudeau's failed immigration policies

Your support for India's insane government is pathetic.

Wouldn't be surprised if it turns out they are involved somehow. India is quickly devolving into a one-party fascist state and I wouldn't put murdering overseas dissidents past them. Especially when they called him a "Khalistani terrorist."

India’s opposition is far crazier and has a much larger history of being authoritarian than the BJP. Given that you said you prefer Indira Gandhi to Ronald Reagan , you really don’t have much to say at all as Indira was more authoritarian than any American , Canadian , or Indian Leader .

[Upper Canada Tory]

Trudeau needs to resign over this. This is unacceptable, regardless of whether the allegations of Indian gov't involvement are true or not.

The killing of Nijjar was caused at least in part by Trudeau's own policies - the fact that he had the audacity to cause an international diplomatic dispute over it for his own political benefit shows his reckless, narcissistic and vacuous approach to international relations.

[2952-0-0]

The killing of Nijjar was caused at least in part by Trudeau's own policies - the fact that he had the audacity to cause an international diplomatic dispute over it for his own political benefit shows his reckless, narcissistic and vacuous approach to international relations.

Yes, Trudeau should have hushed up the murder of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil to avoid hurting the feelings of those responsible.

Maybe the cause of the diplomatic dispute was the murder itself, not the fuss it caused?

[Upper Canada Tory]

The killing of Nijjar was caused at least in part by Trudeau's own policies - the fact that he had the audacity to cause an international diplomatic dispute over it for his own political benefit shows his reckless, narcissistic and vacuous approach to international relations.

Yes, Trudeau should have hushed up the murder of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil to avoid hurting the feelings of those responsible.

Maybe the cause of the diplomatic dispute was the murder itself, not the fuss it caused?

Firstly, the facts as they currently are don't exactly portray Trudeau in a positive light. Lax border security makes it very easy for nefarious actors to commit acts like this. Lax border security seems to have been a factor here, because the alleged killers of Nijjar entered the country on student visas. If Trudeau were seriously concerned about foreign actors killing our citizens, we would have much stricter border security and a foreign agent registry by now, yet we don't have these things. Trudeau is abdicating his own responsibility to defend our national security, which makes me roll my eyes when he expresses indignation toward the Indian government regarding the killing.

Secondly, publicly accusing a state of killing your citizen is not a decision to be made lightly. It's better to know you will have backing from other allies as well as to make sure you have somewhat complete information. There's still a lot we don't know about the level at which the Indian government was involved - was it just a rogue intel agent, or was it ordered at the executive level? If it was the former, for all we know, Ottawa could have informed the Indian government privately and they might have dealt with the rogue individual. The US could also have privately intervened to side with Canada. If Trudeau planned to go public about the allegation, how it is revealed could have been co-ordinated with the US and other allies. He lost a lot of leverage by trying to be self-righteous and recklessly revealing the allegation on his own. Early in the dispute, the US seemed to side with Canada but didn't want to discuss it publicly, making the whole thing harder to solve. The reckless manner in which the allegation was revealed also made Canada susceptible to propaganda from Indian media, which also didn't help the situation.

Trudeau could have handled the whole thing far more prudently.

[SInNYC]

Three arrested and charged over Sikh activist's killing in Canada

Oh, interesting. The article doesnt really imply any Indian government connection. Two of the 3 have surnames Singh, so they are likely Sikh themselves. So the Indian government version that its just a Canadian Sikh gang seems plausible, based on this article at least. I'm waiting for more info.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

Three arrested and charged over Sikh activist's killing in Canada

Oh, interesting. The article doesnt really imply any Indian government connection. Two of the 3 have surnames Singh, so they are likely Sikh themselves. So the Indian government version that its just a Canadian Sikh gang seems plausible, based on this article at least. I'm waiting for more info.

There are tons of Sikhs loyal to the indian government; the last-name proves nothing.

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Meanwhile, the Prime Minister of Bangladesh accuses Canada of harboring the man who assassinated her father, the "founding father" of Bangladesh.