Saturday Massacre: Pelosi, Israel, Wasserman Schultz call for Weiner to resign

[patrick1]

Another person who can't use twitter properly and blames in on hackers.  It is the modern equivalent of leaving porn in the VCR.

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I'm curious as to why Weiner is following (and presumably direct messaging) random high school and college girls in the first place. For now there is all a bunch of circumstantial evidence, but simplest explanation to me looks like he just got caught being a sloppy horndog.  I happen to think Weiner is a nasty little cuss, but if he was hacked he should pursue it strongly. However, from his most recent comments it looks like Weiner just wants this to go away.  Even changing his wording to prank instead of a criminal breach of privacy. In the end, it really isn't much of a story, but I do enjoy watching egoists like Weiner squirm.

[patrick1]

Weiner only follows <200 people out of the 45k people who follow him

Yeah, I think the number was 91. 

If there was some big conspiracy against Weiner then it would have been really bad timing. The Friday of a long holiday weekend is not built for maximum exposure (cough).  I only found out about this story tonight.

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a politician is actually telling the truth.

Haha, good one.

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Alternative Theory: Weiner was actually hacked and people cannot believe that perhaps, just this once, a politician is actually telling the truth.

I happened to turn on the TV in the middle of his interview with Rachel Maddow tonight, and one thing really jumped out at me: he can't deny that the picture is of him. So basically a member of the United States Congress is admitting he has taken at least one picture of his dick. I do expect the actual posting of the picture is yet another idiotic hoax that Breitbart has cooked up, but that's really information I did not need to know.

So Breitbart DM'd a porn star and the high school girl also?   The guy is being evasive as all hell and it is amazing how so many of you are giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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Alternative Theory: Weiner was actually hacked and people cannot believe that perhaps, just this once, a politician is actually telling the truth.

I happened to turn on the TV in the middle of his interview with Rachel Maddow tonight, and one thing really jumped out at me: he can't deny that the picture is of him. So basically a member of the United States Congress is admitting he has taken at least one picture of his dick. I do expect the actual posting of the picture is yet another idiotic hoax that Breitbart has cooked up, but that's really information I did not need to know.

So Breitbart DM'd a porn star and the high school girl also?   The guy is being evasive as all hell and it is amazing how so many of you are giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe if Breitbart didn't have a clear history of deceit I'd have more of an incentive to believe him.

You act as if Weiner hasn't been completely incriminating himself. 

I do like when arrogant people get their comeuppance though. I personally saw him berate a 70+ year old woman who had the temerity to disagree with him at some town hall last year.  It feels good seeing him squirm and try to fall back on: this is all part of some juvenile Weiner joke narrative...

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http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/06/06/2011-06-06_rep_weiner_sext_pic_scandal_new_photos_of_queens_congressman_reportedly_about_to.html

Haha.  This is hilarious.

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As someone who can't stand Weiner, I actually think he looks damn good in that picture.

No one ever accused me of having good taste, however.

Yeah, I think he looks in good shape for 46.  I'm captivated by his enormous schnoz- guy can light a cigar in the rain.

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My money's on Michael Grimm.

 I think that would be a smart bet. Guy just seems shady to me.  Of course he isnt married so it wouldnt have legs.

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Seriously, why is this even an issue? Nothing illegal was done

If he were under 18, he would be charged with child porn and be registered a sex offender. Funny how being older and having a cushy congressional job is like a get out of jail free card.

Uh, having a cushy congressional job has absolutely nothing to do with it. He's not under 18.

Mmhmm, anyone else with a normal job that was caught with photos like that online would totally still get to keep their job as well.

There are thousands if not millions of people out there who have pictures like that on the Internet and still have jobs.

And it's not illegal either.

If your company IT folk find images of your junk on company property (blackberry, laptop) and turn you in- you would not be employed. 

There still is the possibility that he did break very serious laws by sending indecent material to underage girls. Even if he did not break any laws, I would expect a bit more from our leaders.

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Seriously, why is this even an issue? Nothing illegal was done

If he were under 18, he would be charged with child porn and be registered a sex offender. Funny how being older and having a cushy congressional job is like a get out of jail free card.

Uh, having a cushy congressional job has absolutely nothing to do with it. He's not under 18.

Mmhmm, anyone else with a normal job that was caught with photos like that online would totally still get to keep their job as well.

There are thousands if not millions of people out there who have pictures like that on the Internet and still have jobs.

And it's not illegal either.

If your company IT folk find images of your junk on company property (blackberry, laptop) and turn you in- you would not be employed. 

There still is the possibility that he did break very serious laws by sending indecent material to underage girls. Even if he did not break any laws, I would expect a bit more from our leaders.

Give me a break.  I heard a couple people in the press mention this underage possibility.  I know it would be great for reporters and a wet dream for Republicans if one of the women was 17, but this country is really turning into a police state.  If someone is on a political twitter feed and presents themselves as an adult you mean to say every citizen has to ask for a credit card and biometric data to verify their age?  Do you realize how much online dating goes on?  Anyway if a child is sophisticated enough to dupe a congressman on a twitter feed do you really think they have to go to such lengths to see a picture of a man in underwear?  Why not just look at a JCPenny catalog?

Its so pathetic when people are shocked, SHOCKED that an underaged person could possibly see a picture of a man in boxer briefs.  What is this, the 17th century?

You may be surprised to know that it is Rep. Weiner and his colleagues that make these transmission of indecent images statutes and not me.  Weiner could only say that "to the best of is knowledge"  these girls/women were of legal age- that speaks to a troubling lack of responsibility.  His denials, arrogance and lies after he got caught being a fool only added fuel to this charade. 

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...and more entertaining. Let's not ignore that. Vastly more entertaining.

Yes, it is funny that politicians provide the best theatre nowadays. 

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You may be surprised to know that it is Rep. Weiner and his colleagues that make these transmission of indecent images statutes and not me.  Weiner could only say that "to the best of is knowledge"  these girls/women were of legal age- that speaks to a troubling lack of responsibility.  His denials, arrogance and lies after he got caught being a fool only added fuel to this charade. 

I am not aware of any specific transmission of indecent images statute that Weiner championed.  This is news to me and many other people.  Please post a link.

I do not see how failing to get a credit card and biometric data from people on your twitter feed is "a troubling lack of responsibility" as you put it.  We keep moving further and further towards a police state.  There are numerous children in this country that are suffering from true sexual abuse.  Do we really have to concoct some fantasy scenario and feign outrage?

There needs to be personal responsibility in this country.  If you are 15 and pose as an adult and sign onto a political twitter feed that's your problem.

Who said he championed this?  You were trying to deflect and minimize Weiner's indiscretions by boldly attacking our laws on this matter. That is in Rep. Weiner's purview and really a debate for another thread.

I do think it is a troubling lack of responsibility to send photos of your erect and unsheathed member- particularly when you can't confirm who is on the receiving end. I generally think it a wise policy to not go around waving your tallywhacker at strangers no matter what the venue or medium.   It looks like Breitbart is clean on this, but Weiner showed himself to be a perfect victim of a set up through his own recklessness.

As to your last sentence, I think signing up for a political feed and lying about your age is not grounds to open yourself up to receiving pictures of 46 yo old junk--Important to note that I am not accusing Weiner of doing so. It is just reckless that he could have even put himself in that position in the first place.

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I think the putana from TX was in this for the long haul because she knew this day was coming.  She saved EVERY f'ing thing, now she's a star. 

Perhaps, and a good reason why this isnt just a matter between himself and his wife.  Most people will do a lot to save themselves from embarrassment (as Weiner demonstrated). He put himself and his office in a compromising situation. It was reckless, and it is confounding to me that he didnt think this would get out. It is almost pathological with these politicians- enough so that I think some of them deep down want to get caught.

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Who said he championed this?  You were trying to deflect and minimize Weiner's indiscretions by boldly attacking our laws on this matter. That is in Rep. Weiner's purview and really a debate for another thread.

I do think it is a troubling lack of responsibility to send photos of your erect and unsheathed member- particularly when you can't confirm who is on the receiving end. I generally think it a wise policy to not go around waving your tallywhacker at strangers no matter what the venue or medium.   It looks like Breitbart is clean on this, but Weiner showed himself to be a perfect victim of a set up through his own recklessness.

As to your last sentence, I think signing up for a political feed and lying about your age is not grounds to open yourself up to receiving pictures of 46 yo old junk--Important to note that I am not accusing Weiner of doing so. It is just reckless that he could have even put himself in that position in the first place.

I think anyone with half a brain would say sending lewd photographs to someone on the internet is a risky thing to do.

What I have a problem with is people that think the its incumbent upon every person on the internet to get two forms of ID and a SSN from everyone they come in contact with.  I'm not sure what kind of sheltered lives you people live.  I've had women that I've met online send me pictures of themselves in lingerie.  They didn't ask for ID.  This type of thing happens all the time.

Yep, Weiner is reckless and did act like he had half a brain.

On the non Weiner front
Please tell me more, you internet Lothario..  Im likely at least twice your age so the sheltered nonsense can stop. These laws are there so perverts don't exploit adolescents.  They aren't perfectly crafted or enforced in some cases, but are necessary.

[patrick1]

Who said he championed this?  You were trying to deflect and minimize Weiner's indiscretions by boldly attacking our laws on this matter. That is in Rep. Weiner's purview and really a debate for another thread.

I do think it is a troubling lack of responsibility to send photos of your erect and unsheathed member- particularly when you can't confirm who is on the receiving end. I generally think it a wise policy to not go around waving your tallywhacker at strangers no matter what the venue or medium.   It looks like Breitbart is clean on this, but Weiner showed himself to be a perfect victim of a set up through his own recklessness.

As to your last sentence, I think signing up for a political feed and lying about your age is not grounds to open yourself up to receiving pictures of 46 yo old junk--Important to note that I am not accusing Weiner of doing so. It is just reckless that he could have even put himself in that position in the first place.

I think anyone with half a brain would say sending lewd photographs to someone on the internet is a risky thing to do.

What I have a problem with is people that think the its incumbent upon every person on the internet to get two forms of ID and a SSN from everyone they come in contact with.  I'm not sure what kind of sheltered lives you people live.  I've had women that I've met online send me pictures of themselves in lingerie.  They didn't ask for ID.  This type of thing happens all the time.

Yep, Weiner is reckless and did act like he had half a brain.

On the non Weiner front
Please tell me more, you internet Lothario..  Im likely at least twice your age so the sheltered nonsense can stop. These laws are there so perverts don't exploit adolescents.  They aren't perfectly crafted or enforced in some cases, but are necessary.

They were written with a reasonable purpose in mind. Most laws are. To go from that to "necessary" is a strange jump.

It isnt necessary to have laws that prevent adults from sending explicit images to children or adolescents?

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Lulz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CEwIkjPDudw

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It isnt necessary to have laws that prevent adults from sending explicit images to children or adolescents?

Nice strawman.  To Catch A Predator has done hundreds of stings.  Let me ask you... How many of those stings involved an underage girl posing as an adult on a political feed of all things?  How many of them have an underage girl posing as an adult EVER?  You ever wonder why?  Because no court with common sense would convict a man for having a racy dialog in that situation.  And if they did and NBC broadcast it on TV there would be a public outcry.

This is where I sometimes agree strongly with Ron Paul.  This country is turning into a nanny state.

I know a couple of people with young children and they keep their computer in the living room and limit the hours it is used.  They also have software on their computer to block certain activities and websites.  If you as an individual don't raise your children correctly and use common sense easily available controls it is not incumbent upon me to take my tax dollars and prosecute everyone on the internet you don't like.  Control your kids!

1. I wasn't talking to you  2. No such strongman. I was asking Lewis whether he felt these laws were necessary and for clarification to his statement.  There are laws against flashing a schoolyard. Imo, the same rules are needed for this type behavior in this media.  3. If you think that parents can control their kids/teens activities, then you are naive.  You are also naive if you do not think there are not predators out there who will lie to ensnare/groom their victims.  Sending explicit images is one such way this is done.
4. I am not suggesting Weiner did any of this. However, if someone does send explicit images to minors then they have some questions to answer.    The terms of service on Twitter is 13 ,and if someone isnt doing even the bare minimum of due diligence before they start sending pictures of their junk then frankly they deserve what they get.   5. Try to be less meandering and stay on topic.  I have idea what you are trying to address half the time.

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I don't know why you're going on about grooming and predators pretending.  No one, not even Breitbart, has alleged anything like that went on here.  Please stay on topic.

I have idea what you are trying to address half the time.

I know the feeling

Hey numbnuts, I was bringing up predators because you decided to make several off topic rants and make this about thread about internet privacy or some such...
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Anyway, I doesnt really bother me at all that Weiner was engaging in this nonsense.  I mean he is an idiot for sending stuff to a woman more than half his age, but he is hardly along in that.  My real gripe is his recklessness in how he went about it, his inability to control himself and his desperate attempts to hide the truth at all costs.      

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Who is the baby daddy?

I'm going to move to Switzerland and kill myself if this phrase has really attained a status of acceptable usage in the U.S.

Been nice knowing ya.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Mama_%28film%29

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And Weiner is possibly on his way out, IMO.  The underage girl talks dirty publicly, hard to believe she'd be more chaste in private messages to Captain Underpants over here

I've been waiting for this shoe to drop.  We shall see e what happens but I don't think it will be pretty for weiner.
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That doesn't change the fact he has done nothing that would warrant a resignation. Unless you're a prude.

So, to his tens of thousands of supporters who believed in him and defended in him during the onset of this scandal, only to discover that he lied to them again and again, are prudes?

Where were these tens of thousands of supports?  I watch MSNBC and the Daily Show when I can and everyone was pretty skeptical of his whole story from the beginning.  Jon Stewart was dumping on him from day one.

What channel were you watching?  You should watch something with less liberal bias.

Dailykos and the entire echo chamber went to bat for him claiming a Breitbart forgery.  The media completely held back. I could find hundreds of examples and many of them on this very forum.

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Dailykos and the entire echo chamber went to bat for him claiming a Breitbart forgery.  The media completely held back. I could find hundreds of examples and many of them on this very forum.

Hhhmmm... okay.  I guess thats the problem I get my news from more traditional outlets.  Like I said most people on MSNBC were saying how odd his explanation was on day one.  And his friend in real life and one time vacation housemate Jon Stewart was making fun of him.  You can go watch his show.  Its posted on the internet.

You know I tend to avoid all this internet and blog stuff as primary sources.  I like stuff with a little more journalistic integrity and vetting.  Traditional news outlets were skeptical from day one and ran the story constantly.  I've watched them for days and did not see thousands or hundreds or even tens of people supporting him.  Everyone from Morning Joe to Hardball to the Daily Show were saying something was fishy and making fun of him.

As Lunar was saying above, you are wrong.  The traditional, vetted media approached this thing with lamb skin gloves.  He sent something on Friday night before Memorial day. Only Tuesday were people even asking serious questions. By then many were trying to pull the Breitbart angle- even among some in the traditional media.  Stewart would have savaged him if he was a Republican or not a friend. He held his punches and I cant blame him for that given his friendship.  I think most realistic people saw through his lies, however, most partisans fell in line and refused to believe the story.

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What exactly is the argument here?

I saw the episode a few times, but I was only paraphrasing above. As soon as Stewart says "Liberal and conservative blogs" at about the 5:00 minute mark in the video below, he seems to make those arguments to me:
http://www.capitaltonight.com/2011/06/jon-stewart-not-the-weiner-i-remember/

But even if he didn't, who cares? Jon Stewart isn't relevant to the point I was originally making about Weiner's supporters feeling duped and resentful. You were the one who brought Stewart up, I don't really care.

Yes, of course once I post video tape evidence that what you said was factually incorrect... You say, "Who Cares!"

Interesting how you went from "he said it was photoshoped" to "he seems to make those arguments."  Pretty slick.  Unfortunately he quite clearly states the picture does NOT appear to be photoshoped.

If you are just going to hear and see what you want no one can have a constructive discussion with you.  I can't argue with the voices in your head.

Everyone else watch the clip and decide for yourself.

Oh get real.  Was this the same damning criticism by Stewart that Weiner was trying to jokingly use as a defense the very next day? A defense that consisted of casually putting out sexual innuendo to female reporters? The guy is weird.  The Daily also apparently helped him in the lady department.I hear he liked to imagine himself in his cape and tights frombying a girl to his good buddy Jon. Weiner is a joke.

[patrick1]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/audio/anthony-weiner-makes-lewd-jokes-female-reporter/

So comfortable lying.