France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism

[Antonio the Sixth]

UMP misogynistic war on Cecile Duflot continues, resorts to trashing her bf and leads to her crying: http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2013/07/16/a-l-assemblee-le-tweet-anti-14-juillet-du-compagnon-de-cecile-duflot-refait-surface_3448526_823448.html

Reactionaries are disgusting people, she should know it well by now.

On more heartening news, I just heard the Femen's leader has been chosen to be the next Marianne model. That's pretty cool.

[Zanas]

That's horrible. Because of reasons.

[Antonio the Sixth]

That's horrible. Because of reasons.

[Beezer]

She's a rather divisive figure...and not everyone is a fan of Femen.

[Zanas]

I'm not sure a movement whose only means of demonstrating are getting naked to get TV-cover, misandristic discourse, while effectively reproducing virilistic and patriarchal clichés, not to mention a bit opaquely financed, have the vocation to embody the French Republic.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'm not sure a movement whose only means of demonstrating are getting naked to get TV-cover, misandristic discourse, while effectively reproducing virilistic and patriarchal clichés, not to mention a bit opaquely financed, have the vocation to embody the French Republic.

Trying to get TV coverage is not a bad thing. If that helps publicizing a rightful message, it can be useful.

You've got to enlighten me as to the other 3.

[Zanas]

To be honest, I have mixed feelings. I was all for trying to get more media coverage in my extreme-left-wing corner for years, and I was enchanted when Mélenchon achieved just that. So I guess "happenings" are not a bad thing per se and can send a message.

On the other hand, a number of inconsistencies in the Femen's views and actions are listed in this article of Le Monde diplomatique. It covers things quite well, with pros and cons (as you can expect from le Monde diplo).

As for the financing part, my brother mentioned it a few days ago, I'll ask him more details.

[Antonio the Sixth]

On the other hand, a number of inconsistencies in the Femen's views and actions are listed in this article of Le Monde diplomatique. It covers things quite well, with pros and cons (as you can expect from le Monde diplo).

I had no idea about these troubling aspects of the movements. Very disappointing indeed. I do think that patriarchal tropes can in some circumstances be exploited to advance feminist goals. But judging by the few quotes posted on the article, the Femen are going far beyond that and lack the proper awareness.

[dead0man]

French police station attacked after veil incident

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When you think the right (not the far-right, the "moderate right") couldn't sink any lower, well, here you have it: Gilles Bourdouleix (UDI), deputy/mayor of Cholet (49) said that Hitler didn't kill enough 'gens du voyage'...

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/2013/07/23/01002-20130723ARTFIG00273-hitler-et-les-gens-du-voyage-les-politiques-condamnent-unanimement-le-maire-de-cholet.php

So, yeah. Hopefully somebody takes it upon themselves to murder this Nazi scumbag.

[RogueBeaver]

DSK will face pimping charges.

[Antonio the Sixth]

loldsk

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but he was framed amirite gais?

lol French people.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

By this point you really do need a heart of stone not to laugh.

[RogueBeaver]

Now imagine if the scandal came out this year, when he might've been entering his second year as President.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Now imagine if the scandal came out this year, when he might've been entering his second year as President.

Believe me, this thought haunts me.

(and it's especially depressing considering I was planning to vote for him)

[windjammer]

http://www.europe1.fr/Politique/Nouveau-derapage-de-Bruno-Gollnisch-1601699/

[RogueBeaver]

Re Gollnisch: Lewd racist scum is still lewd racist scum.

[windjammer]

I wouldn't be surprised if he's antisemit too..

[RogueBeaver]

Municipal elections will be on March 23rd and 30th.

[RogueBeaver]

Question is, would Fillon blink?  Certainly wouldn't be the first time a president and PM went head to head.

[Hash]

Kind reminder to our True Leftist mates about who the great Panzergirl really is: http://blogs.mediapart.fr/edition/pole-emploi-mon-amour/article/260613/marine-le-pen-tombe-le-masque-sur-la-societe-quelle-imposera-si-elle-est-elue

In other news, the CNIP has been kicked out of the UDI and Adolf Hitler-Bourdouleix will be sitting as a NI.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Kind reminder to our True Leftist mates about who the great Panzergirl really is: http://blogs.mediapart.fr/edition/pole-emploi-mon-amour/article/260613/marine-le-pen-tombe-le-masque-sur-la-societe-quelle-imposera-si-elle-est-elue

Maybe it's because I'm an awful American, but I don't see what was so terrible about Le Pen's statement.  I'm also uncertain what the writer's point was.  Was it that the length of one's state-funded unemployment compensation should be based on the length of time one was employed?  If so, that's rather idiotic in my opinion.  It might have been in favor of a guaranteed minimum benefit that would be continued indefinitely.  That would be rather less idiotic, but still highly utopian.

[MaxQue]

Kind reminder to our True Leftist mates about who the great Panzergirl really is: http://blogs.mediapart.fr/edition/pole-emploi-mon-amour/article/260613/marine-le-pen-tombe-le-masque-sur-la-societe-quelle-imposera-si-elle-est-elue

Maybe it's because I'm an awful American, but I don't see what was so terrible about Le Pen's statement.  I'm also uncertain what the writer's point was.  Was it that the length of one's state-funded unemployment compensation should be based on the length of time one was employed?  If so, that's rather idiotic in my opinion.  It might have been in favor of a guaranteed minimum benefit that would be continued indefinitely.  That would be rather less idiotic, but still highly utopian.

She propose to expell foreigners from the country once their employment benefits are ended.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Okay, that's a more understandable and relevant concern, but one I didn't catch when Google translated the article for me.