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« on: March 15, 2021, 09:46:29 AM »
« edited: March 15, 2021, 10:04:08 AM by Torie »

In reading this, is the Catholic Church stating that while it does not oppose gay marriages, it cannot "bless" them because God considers the intrinsic purpose of sex is procreation? If my interpretation is correct, does that represent a tacking of the Church position, or is it merely a rephrasing of its prior position? Is there any daylight between what cannot be blessed,  because it is sin,  and what is intrinsically wrong and evil, which one must strive to exorcise from the public square? I have this sense that the Pope does not care that much about secular legal gay marriages, even if sinful and not worthy of blessing. Is this merely a iteration of the mortal versus venal sin distinction or something else? If something else, is there a hierarchy within the mortal and venal sin categories? What is the theological basis for the Pope's belief that the Church has better things to do than opposing gay marriage in the secular public square.

Have I made the slightest sense here, as I struggle with my confusion? I admit I am not very facile with these matters. Thank you for your "indulgence."

https://thehill.com/policy/international/543207-vatican-church-cannot-bless-same-sex-unions
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2021, 10:11:22 AM »
« Edited: March 15, 2021, 10:17:00 AM by Torie »

Substantively the dubium response is the same old "intrinsically disordered" rationale, just worded a little more diplomatically than in the past. What's more interesting is the attached explanatory note, in which same-sex relationships are lumped into a broader category of non-marital sexual relationships as opposed to being set apart as their own Super Duper Ultra Sexual Sin. The recognition that there can be strong human qualities in same-sex relationships is also something of a novelty, and is something that liberal bishops like some of the ones in Germany have been pointing out for years; prior Vatican pronouncements on the subject tended to assume a "fruit of the poisonous tree" principle where every aspect of a gay relationship was inevitably toxic and disgusting. But, no, the finding/ruling itself isn't anything new.

Thank you. I just rephrased my questions because my partner pointed out the sentence in the link that states that gay sex and gay marriage is still in the sin box. So I needed to change  my query to re-focus on the deconstruction of the Catholic view of the hierarchies of sin, and just why the Pope does not seem that interested in the gay marriage issue. And I wonder why the Church felt the need to just rehash the old, even though the article refers to there being some priests out there issuing blessings. Were those priests just obviously rogue, or was there some confusion? If obviously rogue, one would have thought that the Church would have issued the appropriate "spankings" in a more private way, rather than going to all of this trouble to produce a statement as to which I lack the perspicacity to understand the underlying nuances.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2021, 10:32:02 AM »
« Edited: March 15, 2021, 10:42:42 AM by Torie »

Another thought popped into my head here, which would apply to any religion that both believes that (1) gay sex and gay marriage is "sinful,"  and (2)  one should evangelize to spread the word. Suppose that if I converted pursuant to being evangelized,  mental health professionals having "examined" me, opined that the odds would then dramatically increase that  I would become desperately unhappy and a neurotic mess (say even materially more likely to commit suicide). Would it be a sin under Catholic theology, or whatever theology of another such religion, to evangelize me under such circumstances? Is there any concept at all, that a given theology is not for everyone given their situation?
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