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Bo
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E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« on: December 20, 2009, 12:41:15 PM »
« edited: December 20, 2009, 12:45:08 PM by Rochambeau »

Gore Wins in 2000 & Gets Reelected

Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (D) 2001-2009
George Allen/John Thune (R) 2009-2017
John Thune/Brian Sandoval (R) 2017-2025
Brian Sandoval/Paul Ryan (R) 2025-2029

Chelsea Clinton/Cory Booker (D) 2029-2037
Paul Ryan/Jaime Herrera (R) 2037-2045
Aaron Schock/Unknown VP? (R) 2045-2049

Some Democrat (D) 2049-2057

Gore Wins in 2000 & Loses Reelection

Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (D) 2001-2005
John McCain/Bill Owens (R) 2005-2009
Mark Warner/Evan Bayh (D) 2009-2017
Evan Bayh/Stephanie Herseth (D) 2017-2021

Brian Sandoval/Paul Ryan (R) 2021-2029
Raul Ryan (R)/George P. Bush (R) 2029-2033

Cory Booker/Kirsten Gillibrand (D) 2033-2041
Some Democrat (D) 2041-2049

Some Republican (R) 2049-2057
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Bo
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Political Matrix
E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2009, 12:45:48 PM »

Kirsten Gillibrand/Unknown VP? (D) 2041-2049

You know she will be much over 70 then Tongue

That's why long-reachng predictions are so stupid.

I modified my list. I just lost track of how old she would be. Thanks for catching my mistake.
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E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 03:49:09 PM »

Nixon Wins in 1960

Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge (R) 1961-1969
Robert Kennedy/Terry Sanford (D) 1969-1977
Nelson Rockefeller/Gerald Ford (R) 1977-1981
Hugh Carey/Lloyd Bensten (D) 1981-1989
Bob Dole/Gerald H. B. Solomon (R) 1989-1993
Mario Cuomo/Bill Clinton (D) 1993-2001
Bill Clinton/Sam Nunn (D) 2001-2005
John McCain/Kay Bailey Hutchison (R) 2005-2009
Mark Warner/Patty Murray (D) 2009-2017
Patty Murray/Evan Bayh (D) 2017-2025
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Bo
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Political Matrix
E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2010, 01:20:42 PM »

I'm thinking about doing a TL based on this after my TR TL is done. It will probably be different, but here is the basic concept
JFK Lives
John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson (1961-1965), Terry Sanford (1965-1969) (D) 1961-1969
Nelson Rockefeller/Howard Baker (R) 1969-1977
Howard Baker/Ronald Reagan (R) 1977-1981
Robert Kennedy/Lloyd Bentsen (D) 1981-1989
Paul Simon/Jesse Jackson (D) 1989-1993
Jack Kemp/Bob Dole (R) 1993-2001
Dick Gephardt/John Edwards (D) 2001-2005
Bill Owens/Mark Sanford (R) 2005-2009
John Kennedy Jr./Russ Feingold (D) 2009-Present


How about you get rid of the Jesse Jackson for VP part and maybe the JFK Jr. for President later and I think you would have a good, solid timeline.
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Political Matrix
E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2010, 01:53:14 AM »

"Give 'em Hell Hubie!"

POD: Humphrey defeats Nixon

#37: Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) (1969-1973)
#38: Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) (1973-1981)
#39: Richard S. Schweiker (R-PA) (1981-1985)
#40: Gary W. Hart (D-CO) (1985-1993)
#41: Peter B. Wilson (R-CA) (1993-2001)
#42: Albert A. Gore (D-TN) (2001)*
#43: John F. Kerry (D-MA) (2001-2009)
#44: John S. McCain (R-AZ) (2009-present)

* Killed when Flight 93 crashed into the White House on September 11th, 2001.



I don't see how a plane crashing into the White House would kill Gore, who would have been evacuated, the plane shot down, or at the very least he would have gone into the bunker.

If Flight 93 was the first attack to go down, he would have been killed.

Not if he would have been somewhere else at the moment by pure coincidence. You got to remember that the Preisdent spends much of his time outside the White House, and in real life Bush was reading to children at some school when 9/11 occured. Even if al-Qaeda was successful  in hitting the White House in RL, and it would have been their first attack, Bush would still be safe because he was at that school for the entire day.
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Political Matrix
E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2010, 07:44:32 PM »

Samuel J. Tilden / Thomas Hendricks (D) 1877-1881
James A. Garfield / Chester Arthur (R) 1881-1885
Grover Cleveland / Allen Thurman (D) 1885-1893
David B. Hill / Thomas F. Bayard (D) 1893-1901
Mark Hanna / William McKinley (R) 1901-1903
William McKinley/Frank Loweden (R) 1903-1913
Frank Lowden / Herbert Hoover (R) 1913-1921
Herbert Hoover / Irvine Lenroot (R) 1921-1925: WWI occurs under his watch (1922-1923). Hoover prevents American involvement and Germany wins within a year.
William G. McAdoo / Thomas Marshall (D) 1925-1933
Oscar Underwood / Alfred Smith (D) 1933-1937
William McKinley, Jr./Robert Taft (R) 1937-1941
James Byrnes / Henry A. Wallace (D) 1941-1949
Henry A. Wallace / W. Averell Harriman (D) 1949-1953
W. Averell Harriman / Estes Kefauver (D) 1953-1960: WWII occurs under his watch. France conquers the U.S. in 1960 in revenge for the U.S. allowing Germnay to defeat it in WWI
Napoleon IV (Monarch) 1960-1998
Napoleon V (Monarch) 1998-2007
Napoleon VI (Monarch) 2007-present
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Political Matrix
E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2010, 12:11:00 AM »

Bush-Clinton Dynasty

Ronald Reagan/George Bush Sr. (1981-1989)
George Bush Sr./Dan Quayle (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton/Al Gore (1993-2001)
George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (2001-2005)
Hillary Clinton/Bob Graham (2005-2009)
Jeb Bush/George Allen (2009-2017)
George Allen/Brian Sandoval (2017-2021)
Chelsea Clinton/Cory Booker (2021-2029)
Cory Booker/Luke Ravenstahl (2029-2037)
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E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 06:07:59 PM »

Al Gore 2001-2005
John McCain 2005-13
Hillary Clinton 2013-17
John Hoeven 2017-2021
Andrew Cuomo  2021 and beyond

I think McCain would have lost reelection  in 2008.
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E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2010, 11:54:58 PM »

Mr. Nice Guy Sends The Peanut Farmer Right Back To Good Ol' Georgia

Gerald Ford/Nelson Rockefeller (R): 1974-1977
Gerald Ford/Bob Dole (R): 1977-1981

Hugh Carey/Lloyd Bensten (D): 1981-1989   
Jack Kemp/Pete Wilson (R): 1989-1993
Mario Cuomo/Martha Layne Collins (D): 1993-2001
Martha Layne Collins/Bob Graham (D): 2001-2005

John McCain/George Allen (R): 2005-2009
Evan Bayh/Mark Warner (D): 2009-present
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Political Matrix
E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2010, 11:54:02 PM »

Woodrow Wilson (D): 1913-1921
Frank Lowden (R): 1921-1929
Charles Evans Hughes (R): 1929-1933
FDR (D): 1933-2001*
JFK Jr. (D): 2001-2009
John McCain (R): 2009-2010**
Lindsey Graham (R): 2010-present

*Elected in 1932 and reelected 16 times out of gratitude and due to FDR making the U.S. a socialist dictatorship. He dies in 2001 at age 118 after allowing free and fair elections in 2000.
**Suffers a heart attack and dies. His VP takes over.
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Political Matrix
E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2010, 09:46:56 PM »

Woodrow Wilson (D): 1913-1921
Frank Lowden (R): 1921-1929
Charles Evans Hughes (R): 1929-1933
FDR (D): 1933-2001*
JFK Jr. (D): 2001-2009
John McCain (R): 2009-2010**
Lindsey Graham (R): 2010-present

*Elected in 1932 and reelected 16 times out of gratitude and due to FDR making the U.S. a socialist dictatorship. He dies in 2001 at age 118 after allowing free and fair elections in 2000.
**Suffers a heart attack and dies. His VP takes over.

Wtf?

FDR essentially becomes a dictator for life in the 1930s and rigs every election from then on. Also, he technology improves at a much faster rate in this TL and thus FDR is able to live to 118.
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Political Matrix
E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 09:49:56 PM »

Bush-Clinton Forever

Ronald Reagan/George Bush Sr. (1981-1989)
George Bush Sr./Dan Quayle (1989-1993)
Bill Clinton/Bob Graham (1993-2001)
George Bush Jr./Tom Ridge (2001-2009)
Mark Warner/Hillary Clinton (2009-2017)
Hillary Clinton/Cory Booker (2017-2025)
John Hoeven/George P. Bush (2025-2033)
George P. Bush/Aaron Schock (2033-2041)
Luke Ravenstahl/Chelsea Clinton (2041-2049)
Chelsea Clinton/Malia Obama (2049-2057)
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Political Matrix
E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2010, 12:33:39 AM »

No Vietnam War: LBJ in 1968

LBJ/Hubert Humphrey (D): 1963-1971*
Hubert Humphrey/Ed Muskie (D): 1971-1975**
Ed Muskie/Lloyd Bensten (D): 1975-1977
Ronald Reagan/Pete Wilson (R): 1977-1981
Scoop Jackson/Lloyd Bensten (D): 1981-1989
Mario Cuomo/Paul Tsongas (D): 1989-1993
Newt Gingrich/Lamar Alexander (R): 1993-2001
Lamar Alexander/Kay Bailey Hutchison (R): 2001-2005
Bill Clinton/Bob Graham (D): 2005-2013

*Died of a heart attack
**Died of a stroke
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E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2010, 12:42:02 AM »
« Edited: February 27, 2010, 01:06:47 AM by The Time Traveler »

Ronald Reagan Wins in 1976

Ronald Reagan/Bob Dole (R): 1977-1985
Bob Dole/Jack Kemp (R): 1985-1993
Mario Cuomo/Ann Richards (D): 1993-2001
John McCain/John Engler (R): 2001-2009
Bill Clinton/John F. Kennedy, Jr. (D): 2009-present

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E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2010, 07:58:59 PM »

Kerry Wins in 2004:

John Kerry/John Edwards (D): 2005-2009
John McCain/George Allen (R): 2009-2013
Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama (D): 2013-2021
Barack Obama/Chelsea Clinton (D): 2021-2025
Mario Rubio/Scott Brown (R): 2025-2033
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2010, 09:19:38 PM »

How exactly does Taft suffocate in his bathtub? He could still breathe just fine when he was stuck in the bathtub.
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2010, 04:48:44 PM »

Humphrey wins in 1968

Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie (D)-1969-1975
Edmund Muskie/Lloyd Bensten (D)-1975-1981
Bob Dole/Nelson Rockefeller (R)-1981-1985
Hugh Carey/Lloyd Bensten (D)-1985-1993
Jack Kemp/Pete Wilson (R)-1993-2001
Pete Wilson/John McCain (R)-2001-2009
Mark Warner/Claire McCaskill (D)-2009-present
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Political Matrix
E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2010, 10:24:34 PM »

1961-67:  Richard Nixon (R-CA)
1967-69:  Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. (R-MA)
1969-77:  Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)
1977-82:  Ronald Reagan (R-CA)
1982-85:  George H.W. Bush (R-TX)
1985-93:  John Glenn (D-OH)
1993-95:  Bill Clinton (D-AR)
1995-97:  Al Gore (D-TN)
1997-01:  John McCain (R-AZ)
2001-09:  Gaston Caperton (D-WV)
2009-17:  John Edwards (D-NC)
2017-20:  Eric Cantor (R-VA)
2020-21:  Bob Ehrlich (R-MD)
2021-:      Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-SD)

What happens to Nixon in 1967?
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E: -5.23, S: -2.52

« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2010, 08:02:02 PM »

Reagan Assassinated in 1981
40. Ronald Wilson Reagan (R), 1981
41. George Herbert Walker Bush (R), 1981-1985
42. Edward Moore Kennedy (D), 1985-1993
43. Robert Joseph Dole (R), 1993-2001
44. Richard Gephardt (D), 2001-2009
45. John McCain (R), 2009-Present


Why does Bush Sr. lose in 1984? Does he reduce the Fed's power and thus block Volcker from reducing inflation? Other than that, pretty reasonable list.
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