Michigan will replace Iowa as the first primary contest for Dems

[Landslide Lyndon]

Dean was one of the best DNC heads. Obama replacing him with Kaine was one of his biggest mistakes.

Yeah, right. Howard Dean proclaimed, at a campaign event in 2004, that .... "The Supreme Court is more conservative now than it has been at any time in the last 150 years."
That's precisely the kind of message that the Dems should be spreading right now. Right.

What the heck has that to do with his tenure as DNC head?

[Ferguson97]

Dean was one of the best DNC heads. Obama replacing him with Kaine was one of his biggest mistakes.

Yeah, right. Howard Dean proclaimed, at a campaign event in 2004, that .... "The Supreme Court is more conservative now than it has been at any time in the last 150 years."
That's precisely the kind of message that the Dems should be spreading right now. Right.

Considering that the supreme court overturning Roe is what won Democrats the midterms, yes, it is the kind of message they should be spreading.

[MarkD]

Dean was one of the best DNC heads. Obama replacing him with Kaine was one of his biggest mistakes.

Yeah, right. Howard Dean proclaimed, at a campaign event in 2004, that .... "The Supreme Court is more conservative now than it has been at any time in the last 150 years."
That's precisely the kind of message that the Dems should be spreading right now. Right.

Considering that the supreme court overturning Roe is what won Democrats the midterms, yes, it is the kind of message they should be spreading.

Because the SCOTUS overturned ONE popular precedent, it is MORE CONSERVATIVE now than at any time in the last 170 years?!?! The Court is more conservative now than when it struck down minimum wage laws, than when it struck down price-control laws, and than when it declared that business owners have a constitutional right to prevent their employees from joining labor unions?

IF the SCOTUS, in recent times, were to strike down the 1964 Civil Rights Act, if it revives laissez-faire economics doctrine as if that's required by the Constitution, and if it strikes down Social Security, Medicare, and virtually all of the rest of the modern welfare state enacted by the federal government in the last 90 years, then you might plausibly get away with saying that the SCOTUS is, now, MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN AT ANY TIME IN THE LAST 170 YEARS, but until then, if you try to say that Howard Dean was accurate with what he said 18 years ago, you only make it perfectly clear that you will say any FALSE thing you feel like if that FALSE statement happens to persuade enough low-information voters to vote for your party that you win. But if so, do not claim that your party is more truthful than the Republicans.

[DaleCooper]

Dean was one of the best DNC heads. Obama replacing him with Kaine was one of his biggest mistakes.

Yeah, right. Howard Dean proclaimed, at a campaign event in 2004, that .... "The Supreme Court is more conservative now than it has been at any time in the last 150 years."
That's precisely the kind of message that the Dems should be spreading right now. Right.

It's a fine anti-establishment message, though he shouldn't complain about it being "conservative" just call an activist court, or an illegitimate court or something like that. American judges are not respected people. Only nerds on the internet or lawyers have much respect for these clowns.

[Ferguson97]

Dean was one of the best DNC heads. Obama replacing him with Kaine was one of his biggest mistakes.

Yeah, right. Howard Dean proclaimed, at a campaign event in 2004, that .... "The Supreme Court is more conservative now than it has been at any time in the last 150 years."
That's precisely the kind of message that the Dems should be spreading right now. Right.

Considering that the supreme court overturning Roe is what won Democrats the midterms, yes, it is the kind of message they should be spreading.

Because the SCOTUS overturned ONE popular precedent, it is MORE CONSERVATIVE now than at any time in the last 170 years?!?! The Court is more conservative now than when it struck down minimum wage laws, than when it struck down price-control laws, and than when it declared that business owners have a constitutional right to prevent their employees from joining labor unions?

IF the SCOTUS, in recent times, were to strike down the 1964 Civil Rights Act, if it revives laissez-faire economics doctrine as if that's required by the Constitution, and if it strikes down Social Security, Medicare, and virtually all of the rest of the modern welfare state enacted by the federal government in the last 90 years, then you might plausibly get away with saying that the SCOTUS is, now, MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN AT ANY TIME IN THE LAST 170 YEARS, but until then, if you try to say that Howard Dean was accurate with what he said 18 years ago, you only make it perfectly clear that you will say any FALSE thing you feel like if that FALSE statement happens to persuade enough low-information voters to vote for your party that you win. But if so, do not claim that your party is more truthful than the Republicans.

So are you arguing that it's bad messaging, or are you arguing that it's inaccurate? Because at first you seemed to be arguing that it was bad messaging, but when I provided an example showing that your claim was inaccurate, you switched to making an argument that the claim was inaccurate.

Stick to one argument, Mark.

[Frodo]

What does everyone think of having Nevada and North Carolina as the first two nominating states in the Democratic primary calendar?

Democrats mull alternative to South Carolina amid divisions over first-in-nation primary

[Landslide Lyndon]

Georgia and North Carolina are too big and their Republican legislatures will never accommodate the Democratic party's wishes.
South Carolina remains the best option and I don't get the problem some people have, besides residual resentment from 2016 and 2020 when Sanders got creamed there.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Why did no one ever suggest Delaware to be the first primary?  I would seem to have all the advantages of New Hampshire in terms of retail politics, but it is much more diverse and also easier for federal officers to campaign in.

[Ferguson97]

Inaccurate messages are one of the worst kinds of messaging, so there's nothing inconsistent.

This is simply not true. Inaccurate messaging wins elections all the time.

[Suburbia]

Dean was one of the best DNC heads. Obama replacing him with Kaine was one of his biggest mistakes.

This.....Dean could have softened the 2010 rampage a bit.....with better messaging...Kaine is someone you want as AG or as a Cabinet position, but not as President/VP or any big political position

[Landslide Lyndon]

Why did no one ever suggest Delaware to be the first primary?  I would seem to have all the advantages of New Hampshire in terms of retail politics, but it is much more diverse and also easier for federal officers to campaign in.

I had the same thought but I guess Biden choosing his home state would understandably be poor optics.

[ꙮ]

Week 1: MS and NH
Week 2: SC and NV
Week 3: MI
Week 4: IA and HI

Good mix of different demographics and voting patterns. Only "large" state in the first month has the week to itself.

[Pres Mike]

All 57 contests should vote on the same day, that is a hill I will die on.

It doesn't matter which states go "first". Any system that allows certain states to go before others means half the democrats country will have absolutly no say in presidential primaries because the nomination will be effectivly over.

It isn't the DNC's job to make sure every hick has a "chance" at winning the nomination by visitng every diner in Iowa. The DNC job is to conduct the most profressional primary to ALL Democrats. That means giving an equal vote to everyone. Not by making Iowa or Michigan or South Carolina voters matter more.

And I will repeat myself. A "nobody" has not won the Democratic nomination since 1976. Obama gave the DNC keynote in 2004. Schumer and Reid begged him to run despite being close allies of Hillary. Bill Clinton gave a keynote address in 1988. Dukakis was on record saying Clinton should be the nominee in 1996 after his 8 years (lol).

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

All 57 contests should vote on the same day, that is a hill I will die on.

It doesn't matter which states go "first". Any system that allows certain states to go before others means half the democrats country will have absolutly no say in presidential primaries because the nomination will be effectivly over.

It isn't the DNC's job to make sure every hick has a "chance" at winning the nomination by visitng every diner in Iowa. The DNC job is to conduct the most profressional primary to ALL Democrats. That means giving an equal vote to everyone. Not by making Iowa or Michigan or South Carolina voters matter more.

And I will repeat myself. A "nobody" has not won the Democratic nomination since 1976. Obama gave the DNC keynote in 2004. Schumer and Reid begged him to run despite being close allies of Hillary. Bill Clinton gave a keynote address in 1988. Dukakis was on record saying Clinton should be the nominee in 1996 after his 8 years (lol).

Election is over anyways Biden is gonna be reelected we won the rust belt in the midterm and it will come down to VA which won't be won by Rs GAME OVER

[Smash255]

What does everyone think of having Nevada and North Carolina as the first two nominating states in the Democratic primary calendar?

Democrats mull alternative to South Carolina amid divisions over first-in-nation primary

I would be cool with Nevada, though I think North Carolina or Georgia would be better choices.  Obviously one downside to North Carolina and Georgia would be the more expensive media markets, but you really get a great cross section of all aspects of the Democratic Party in both states.

[All Along The Watchtower]

I would prefer that we did away with all the primaries and have more normal political parties.

[Epaminondas]

Is this calendar change following through? Will Iowa finally be brought down a peg after choosing the wrong winner by a wide berth in 2016 and 2020?

[Mr. Smith]

Is this calendar change following through? Will Iowa finally be brought down a peg after choosing the wrong winner by a wide berth in 2016 and 2020?

It's chosen everyone except Biden and Bill in the past 30. Obama got put on the map because of the state and went on to win the largest victory this century.

[NewYorkExpress]

I admit I would be fine with keeping Iowa where it is at this point, and just having New Hampshire and South Carolina swap positions on the calendar, as that would make a good compromise solution among the various factions of the Democratic Party, but it seems neither the DNC nor anyone in New Hampshire would be willing to agree to that.

[Epaminondas]

Is this calendar change following through? Will Iowa finally be brought down a peg after choosing the wrong winner by a wide berth in 2016 and 2020?

It's chosen everyone except Biden and Bill in the past 30. Obama got put on the map because of the state and went on to win the largest victory this century.

Iowa missed Bernie in 2016 too, since Hillary didn't "win" in the end. Not even mentioning Trump.
Plus they are virtually useless to Dem congressional majorities at this point.

Cutting Iowa loose to prop up South Carolina Dems which actually hold some promise is a good idea.

[The Mikado]

Is this calendar change following through? Will Iowa finally be brought down a peg after choosing the wrong winner by a wide berth in 2016 and 2020?

The tentative calendar for Dems is:

SC
NH/NV
MI

Super Tuesday.

Buuuuuuuuut, NH is going to try to jump the gun because the GOP state government has no interest in the DNC trying to kill their first in the nation primary. My guess is that the eventual result is NH goes first with a 50% delegate penalty for jumping the gun so the actual order ends up

NH
SC
NV
MI

GOP is keeping Iowa Caucus but Michigan's moving into their early window without authorization because the Democratic state government doesn't care about the RNC's calendar preferences so GOP early primaries should be:

IA Caucus
NH
NV
SC
MI (50% delegate penalty for going early)

[Minnesota Mike]

First the title of this thread needs to be changed.

Second has the MI Republican party decided for sure what they are going to do? They could hold a non compliant primary and lose half their delegates or they could have a party run firehouse primary at a later date.

[Minnesota Mike]

https://www.ajc.com/politics/raffensperger-to-set-georgia-primary-for-mid-march/GSINMG2JQJGZTGDDJGVB2OSRNY/

Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced his decision Thursday to hold the presidential primary on March 12, a date he said will put Georgia “at the center of the national focus.”

Raffensperger has the power to set the primary date and it's no surprise he did not follow Democrats wishes.

So it looks like the Dem schedule will likely be:

NH (date TBD) - non compliant.
SC- Feb 5
NV- Feb 12
MI- Feb 26
Super Tuesday- Mar 5