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« on: April 28, 2016, 11:30:54 AM »

Obvious pander for the woman's vote. I don't care if she wants women, or Hispanics, or whatever in her cabinet, but if she's actually picking a woman over a more qualified (and ideologically okay) man, that should be considered discrimination on the basis of sex, and therefore a crime.
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 11:39:46 AM »

Oh, yes, the leftist affirmative action crap. It's just an excuse to be sexist/racist in non-traditional ways. Society needs to wake up and realize that it is NEVER OKAY to consider someone's race or gender when evaluating them for a given position.
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 11:49:11 AM »

LOL, I didn't say that Clinton should be keeping women out of her cabinet. But if it's clear that she's skipping over assortments of objectively more qualified men to "find muh woman", that should be looked at the same as if she was skipping over assortments of objectively more qualified women to "find muh man".
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 11:51:08 AM »

Oh, yes, the leftist affirmative action crap. It's just an excuse to be sexist/racist in non-traditional ways. Society needs to wake up and realize that it is NEVER OKAY to consider someone's race or gender when evaluating them for a given position.


This stuff you're saying, in practice, is uniformly used to muster outrage when a woman is chosen for a job. "How dare they not choose the best person for the job?!?!"

No one is arguing that a women might not be the best person for the job...but what happens if the best people are 70% women? or 70% men? Setting arbitrary gender quotas (like with racial quotas) is pretty absurd to begin with and in the context of the Clinton campaign, its clear she is simply pandering to voters rather than making any sort of substantive policy decision.



Once again, this assumes that there is some objective standard by which we can say who's the best. Quick, can you name me the best person for the job of Secretary of Energy right now in the country? An objective choice that everyone will agree with?

That's not an answerable question because it depends on ideological preferences, which I do consider legitimate to take into account.
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2016, 12:18:07 PM »

Oh, yes, the leftist affirmative action crap. It's just an excuse to be sexist/racist in non-traditional ways. Society needs to wake up and realize that it is NEVER OKAY to consider someone's race or gender when evaluating them for a given position.


This stuff you're saying, in practice, is uniformly used to muster outrage when a woman is chosen for a job. "How dare they not choose the best person for the job?!?!"

No one is arguing that a women might not be the best person for the job...but what happens if the best people are 70% women? or 70% men? Setting arbitrary gender quotas (like with racial quotas) is pretty absurd to begin with and in the context of the Clinton campaign, its clear she is simply pandering to voters rather than making any sort of substantive policy decision.



Once again, this assumes that there is some objective standard by which we can say who's the best. Quick, can you name me the best person for the job of Secretary of Energy right now in the country? An objective choice that everyone will agree with?

That's not an answerable question because it depends on ideological preferences, which I do consider legitimate to take into account.

You can't answer who's objectively most qualified for the job, but you can muster outrage when somebody who you know isn't it gets picked? What are you even on about? Either there's an objective best or there isn't (hint: there isn't).

The fact that your main argument is to try to pick out whatever problems may or may not exist with trying to litigate this just shows that Hillary Clinton's statement should be looked at as sexist against men and an obvious pander to woman.
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2016, 12:28:06 PM »

Judy Chu? Yeah, it appears she was on a school board in the 1980s, but what else has she done in relation to education? She's not even on an education-related committee in the house.
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