France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism

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Horrible news day:

Neo-Nazi skinhead thugs brutally murdered a SciencesPo student and antifascist activist. Words cannot express how horrible and utterly disgusting/revolting this is.
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/06/06/l-auteur-presume-de-l-agression-contre-clement-meric-interpelle_3425537_3224.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/06/06/clement-meric-eleve-modele-tue-pour-ses-idees_3425609_3224.html

If this government had balls, it should immediately dissolve all fascist groups and lock up all of their thugs and murderers. Or better yet, immediate drone strikes on their hideouts. The far-right is a cancer which must be eradicated; yet the morons who run France (and other countries) are more interested in deporting poor African immigrants or locking up the Roma in concentration camps.

Acceptance of homosexuality down from 83% in 2007 to 77% in 2013, the sharpest decline (-6) of all countries surveyed.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

[Antonio the Sixth]

I heard about it this morning.

Disheartening.

[afleitch]

Horrible news day:

Neo-Nazi skinhead thugs brutally murdered a SciencesPo student and antifascist activist. Words cannot express how horrible and utterly disgusting/revolting this is.
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/06/06/l-auteur-presume-de-l-agression-contre-clement-meric-interpelle_3425537_3224.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/06/06/clement-meric-eleve-modele-tue-pour-ses-idees_3425609_3224.html

If this government had balls, it should immediately dissolve all fascist groups and lock up all of their thugs and murderers. Or better yet, immediate drone strikes on their hideouts. The far-right is a cancer which must be eradicated; yet the morons who run France (and other countries) are more interested in deporting poor African immigrants or locking up the Roma in concentration camps.

Acceptance of homosexuality down from 83% in 2007 to 77% in 2013, the sharpest decline (-6) of all countries surveyed.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/

It's disgusting. And given that this is the board I moderate, the c-nt who now claims she needs protection from the far right because of her stupid little campaign deserves to live in fear for as long as it takes for her to say sorry.

[You kip if you want to...]

Watching a BBC interview with Copé.

After having not really followed the UMP fiasco, I hadn't realised just how much you could mistake him for a FNist!

[MaxQue]

The first Socialist Prime Minister of the 5th Republic, Pierre Mauroy (1981-1984) has died.
He also was mayor of Lille for a long time.

[RogueBeaver]

RIP. Here's his last interview from last October.

[windjammer]

RIP. Fascism is always disgusting...

[dead0man]

Horrible news day:

Neo-Nazi skinhead thugs brutally murdered a SciencesPo student and antifascist activist. Words cannot express how horrible and utterly disgusting/revolting this is.
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/06/06/l-auteur-presume-de-l-agression-contre-clement-meric-interpelle_3425537_3224.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/06/06/clement-meric-eleve-modele-tue-pour-ses-idees_3425609_3224.html

If this government had balls, it should immediately dissolve all fascist groups and lock up all of their thugs and murderers. Or better yet, immediate drone strikes on their hideouts. The far-right is a cancer which must be eradicated;

Seems to me it was a gang fight that ended tragically.  From the telegraph.

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So some antifa (not exactly known for their peaceful ways) go into a clothing store known to be a hangout for asshats on the far right and a fight breaks out.  The skinheads offer to take it outside, the antifa agree.  A fight ensues.  During the fight this kid gets hit with a weapon and collapses onto a post, killing him.

Now, I'm not saying the skinheads are good people.  I'm not saying you shouldn't want them gone from your society.  I'm just saying that:
A.this wasn't a "brutal murder"
II.it was a gang fight that turned into a tragedy.  Sure, it was a politically motivated gang fight, it was still just a gang fight.  Gang fights usually involve two groups of people, which leads me to...
3.It seems the entire fiasco was instigated by the antifas, what with them going into enemy territory as a group and all...I'm guessing they weren't there to invite them to tea and crumpets. (yeah,  I know)


Unless the story is being grossly misrepresented in favor of the skinhead, which I'm just not seeing.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The first Socialist Prime Minister of the 5th Republic, Pierre Mauroy (1981-1984) has died.
He also was mayor of Lille for a long time.

Wow, didn't expect that. RIP.

[afleitch]

So now the weirdos disrupt the French Open. I want to see more theatrical stunts like these; they are hilarious.

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Michel Havard defeated Georges Fenech 54-46 in the UMP primary in Lyon. So the more centrist and moderate option prevailed over the Droite pop/Droite fort hard right. The race will be a bit more competitive.

I should restart my guide, but in the meantime, here's a Paris poll:
Hidalgo (PS) 37% (-1)
NKM (UMP) 35% (+7)
Najdovski (EELV) 6% (-3)
Brossat (FG) 6% (-1)
de Sarnez (MoDem) 6% (-0.5)
UDI 5% (-0.5)
de Saint-Just 5% (-1)

Hidalgo (PS) 54% (-2)
NKM (UMP) 46% (+2)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Michel Havard defeated Georges Fenech 54-46 in the UMP primary in Lyon. So the more centrist and moderate option prevailed over the Droite pop/Droite fort hard right. The race will be a bit more competitive.

I should restart my guide, but in the meantime, here's a Paris poll:
Hidalgo (PS) 37% (-1)
NKM (UMP) 35% (+7)
Najdovski (EELV) 6% (-3)
Brossat (FG) 6% (-1)
de Sarnez (MoDem) 6% (-0.5)
UDI 5% (-0.5)
de Saint-Just 5% (-1)

Hidalgo (PS) 54% (-2)
NKM (UMP) 46% (+2)

Seems par for the course for the left. Which is encouraging considering the general climate. Hopefully Hidalgo will hold on.

[Zanas]

Seems like a NKM-winning-the-nomination bump and it should go back a little.

Is "de Saint-Just" the FN list-head ? Who is it ?

[MaxQue]

Seems like a NKM-winning-the-nomination bump and it should go back a little.

Is "de Saint-Just" the FN list-head ? Who is it ?

Wallerand de Saint-Just, a lawyer. Lawyer of the Le Pen family, treasurer of the FN.
He comes from the Catholic ultra-right.

[Zanas]

Ah yes with the peculiar first name I remember hearing about him.

[Insula Dei]

Horrible news day:

Neo-Nazi skinhead thugs brutally murdered a SciencesPo student and antifascist activist. Words cannot express how horrible and utterly disgusting/revolting this is.
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/06/06/l-auteur-presume-de-l-agression-contre-clement-meric-interpelle_3425537_3224.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/06/06/clement-meric-eleve-modele-tue-pour-ses-idees_3425609_3224.html

If this government had balls, it should immediately dissolve all fascist groups and lock up all of their thugs and murderers. Or better yet, immediate drone strikes on their hideouts. The far-right is a cancer which must be eradicated;

Seems to me it was a gang fight that ended tragically.  From the telegraph.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

So some antifa (not exactly known for their peaceful ways) go into a clothing store known to be a hangout for asshats on the far right and a fight breaks out.  The skinheads offer to take it outside, the antifa agree.  A fight ensues.  During the fight this kid gets hit with a weapon and collapses onto a post, killing him.

Now, I'm not saying the skinheads are good people.  I'm not saying you shouldn't want them gone from your society.  I'm just saying that:
A.this wasn't a "brutal murder"
II.it was a gang fight that turned into a tragedy.  Sure, it was a politically motivated gang fight, it was still just a gang fight.  Gang fights usually involve two groups of people, which leads me to...
3.It seems the entire fiasco was instigated by the antifas, what with them going into enemy territory as a group and all...I'm guessing they weren't there to invite them to tea and crumpets. (yeah,  I know)


Unless the story is being grossly misrepresented in favor of the skinhead, which I'm just not seeing.

Er, no, the antifascists were selling Fred Perry clothes (which as it turns out are pretty popular with both extremes of the political spectrum) and were harassed by skinheads, who later returned to attack them.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Ah yes with the peculiar first name I remember hearing about him.

Interesting last name, too. Is he any relation at all?

[Hash]

The UMP administrations in Versailles and Saint-Cloud have banned some film poster because *gasp* two men are kissing on the poster *gasp* the children oh my god.

Le Petit journal continues to be awesome and is having a field day making fun my new moronic UMP deputy, Fredo. Apparently he asked some stupid question about "nurses in Montreal" and everybody on the UMP benches had no clue what the hell he was asking. He also said that "he liked people" and other touchy-feely stuff, I've never heard somebody who speaks solely in platitudes (complete with soft touchy-feely voice) like him.

[Zanas]

Ah yes with the peculiar first name I remember hearing about him.

Interesting last name, too. Is he any relation at all?

I wasn't able to find out, but it would be quite the disgrace.

[windjammer]

The UMP administrations in Versailles and Saint-Cloud have banned some film poster because *gasp* two men are kissing on the poster *gasp* the children oh my god.

Le Petit journal continues to be awesome and is having a field day making fun my new moronic UMP deputy, Fredo. Apparently he asked some stupid question about "nurses in Montreal" and everybody on the UMP benches had no clue what the hell he was asking. He also said that "he liked people" and other touchy-feely stuff, I've never heard somebody who speaks solely in platitudes (complete with soft touchy-feely voice) like him.

Frederic Lefebvre is just one of the biggest moron I've ever seen after Morano.  He doesn't serve anything. It's just uncommonly stupid this "députés de l'étranger"...

[You kip if you want to...]

What's this floating round in the London Times about Ségo demanding a cabinet position/threatening a 2017 run?

[Zanas]

Haven't heard of that in France. Yet again I don't have TV...

[Peter the Lefty]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336342/Ex-lovers-fight-presidency-France-Mother-Francois-Hollandes-children-tipped-leader.html'

Yep, it's true.  She's criticizing Hollande vaguely from the left, it would appear.  And she's got a new book out.  She lists Mitterand as a role model.  Lolz. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/18/segolene-royal-back-francois-hollande-problem

[Horus]

Why is acceptance of homosexuality down 6%? That can't all be from Muslims, can it?

[MaxQue]

Why is acceptance of homosexuality down 6%? That can't all be from Muslims, can it?

People being annoyed at the gay marriage debate.