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« on: June 16, 2009, 10:29:10 PM »
« edited: June 16, 2009, 10:48:02 PM by Too young to kill, too old to contain »
List some. I say:

Mir-Hossein Mousavi
Winston Churchill
Martin Luther
Omar Torrijos
Vojislav Kostunica
Woodrow Wilson
Daniel Ortega
Ho Chi Minh
Charles DeGaulle

And some more I can think of for sure.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2009, 10:38:52 PM »
Chris Matthews?
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2009, 10:41:23 PM »
Keith Olbermann?
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2009, 10:48:24 PM »

Neither.


Pure FF
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2009, 10:52:30 PM »
The human race.
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2009, 10:54:21 PM »

Hack? Olbermann is just as bad as O'Reilly, but from your point of view.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2009, 11:00:44 PM »

The only real correct answer.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2009, 11:05:10 PM »

Yeah. Olbermann is a bit of a hack. But I do enjoy it when he hands O'Reilly's ass on a platter. My main problem with him (like most people in sensational news media) is that while he gets onto one side for doing crap, he lets the other side totally off the hook whenever they screw up. He pretty much threw everything including the kitchen sink at the Bush administration for the Patriot Act and other violations of civil liberty but he let Obama off the hook whenever Obama voted in favor of FISA in 2008. Also, after the election was over Olbermann had an emotional special comment on prop 8, yet I haven't heard him moan at all about Obama not having the balls to be pro gay marriage. Plus, how can I forget how he gave Obama a slap on the wrist for excusing Bush officials involed with torture?
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2009, 11:21:37 PM »
George Washington.  Pretty much all of the Founding Fathers, actually, except Ben Franklin (pure FF)
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2009, 12:08:21 AM »
Vladimir Lenin
Tom DeLonge
Juan Peron
Jerry Springer
Billy Graham
Christopher Langan
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2009, 01:13:56 AM »
Quote from: © tachyon on June 17, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
Tom DeLonge
Billy Graham
Christopher Langan

Howso?
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2009, 01:17:35 AM »
Quote from: © tachyon on June 17, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
Vladmir Lenin
Juan Peron
Jerry Springer

Lenin and Peron are FFs?

Jerry Springer is HP?
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2009, 01:18:49 AM »
I'm surprised I forgot Viktor Yuschenko, considering he's of the same type as Mousavi and Kostunica.
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2009, 01:23:12 AM »
Quote from: Mechaman on June 17, 2009, 01:17:35 AM
Quote from: © tachyon on June 17, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
Vladmir Lenin
Juan Peron
Jerry Springer

Lenin and Peron are FFs?

Jerry Springer is HP?

Oh wait, overthrowing a monarchal authoritarian is an act of freedom. So yeah Lenin would be both and FF and an HP.
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2009, 01:51:02 AM »
Quote from: Mechaman on June 17, 2009, 01:17:35 AM
Quote from: © tachyon on June 17, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
Vladmir Lenin
Juan Peron
Jerry Springer

Lenin and Peron are FFs?

Jerry Springer is HP?

Peron certainly did enough good things to be considered both a FF and a HP
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2009, 02:09:08 AM »
Quote from: © tachyon on June 17, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
Vladimir Lenin
Tom DeLonge
Juan Peron
Jerry Springer
Billy Graham
Christopher Langan
I'd add Pete Wentz on here too and Adam Lazzara.
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2009, 11:22:39 AM »
Quote from: Mechaman on June 17, 2009, 01:23:12 AM
Quote from: Mechaman on June 17, 2009, 01:17:35 AM
Quote from: © tachyon on June 17, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
Vladmir Lenin
Juan Peron
Jerry Springer

Lenin and Peron are FFs?

Jerry Springer is HP?

Oh wait, overthrowing a monarchal authoritarian is an act of freedom. So yeah Lenin would be both and FF and an HP.

he didn't do that... take a 10th grade history class
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2009, 11:34:45 AM »
Why would you consider DeLonge and Lagnan to be HPs and Graham to be a FF?
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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2009, 11:43:56 AM »
Angels & Airwaves is horrendously pretentious, both he and Mark made mistakes in the breakup of blink

Langan has written pieces in defense of intelligent design

Graham flipped his middle finger to Falwell & co. back in the late '70s



it's all more nuanced than that but I don't want to type much more than that
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2009, 11:56:56 AM »
Dude, how'd you forget Max Hardcore?
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2009, 03:31:37 PM »
I would argue, John Calvin, though I am sure most here will say my brain has turned to rot.

Also in a religious vein, Thomas Cranmer, Sir Thomas More and some of the Popes.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2009, 08:13:59 PM »
Chris Matthews
Joe Scarborough (HP for joining MSNBC) (Otherwise pure FF)

um.............Woodrow Wilson?

Ariel Sharon
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2009, 08:20:36 PM »
Lenin and Lyndon (I just got a great idea for a time-traveling buddy flick!)
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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2009, 12:58:15 AM »
Ron Paul.  Great social policies except choice and gay marriage.  HORRIBLE fiscal policies, but not the worst.
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2009, 10:04:52 AM »
Quote from: Rob on June 19, 2009, 08:20:36 PM
Lenin and Lyndon (I just got a great idea for a time-traveling buddy flick!)

That would certainly be interesting. I want to see it.
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