Washington 2020: The Calm Before the Drizzle

[RI]

Anyone who doubts the power of The Stranger should look at the I-1183 results on Capitol Hill and keep in mind that I-1100 (I believe) passed some of those No >60% precincts.

U-district 60% yes on i-1183. Who would have guessed that.

Is there even a Costco in Seattle? I don't think I've ever seen one there.

[Alcon]

Anyone who doubts the power of The Stranger should look at the I-1183 results on Capitol Hill and keep in mind that I-1100 (I believe) passed some of those No >60% precincts.

U-district 60% yes on i-1183. Who would have guessed that.

Is there even a Costco in Seattle? I don't think I've ever seen one there.

You know that area in Seattle between the West Seattle Bridge and Georgetown?  Yeah, me neither really.  But there's apparently a giant Costco there.  That's it, though.

[RI]

Yeah, I generally try to avoid that area...

[CultureKing]

Yeah, I generally try to avoid that area...

A good idea.

[bgwah]

http://www.nwdailymarker.com/2011/12/tweets-from-congressional-staffers-describe-on-job-drinking-in-office-of-congressman-larsen/

lol

[Jackson]

Ha ha ha.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

roflcopter

[Ogre Mage]

Larsen's staffers get the boot.  Maybe they can go drown their sorrows with Jack Daniels, lol.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/12/09/drinking-and-tweeting-get-larsen-aides-fired/

[Ogre Mage]

Michael Baumgartner turns Sen. Cantwell's marital status into a political attack:

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2017022077_baumgartner.html?syndication=rss

It will be amusing seeing this jerk get whipped next year.

[Frodo]

Washingtonians, I have a question:

Now that Sen. Patty Murray is in her fourth term, and Sen. Maria Cantwell is in position to win her third, how do they compare with the late Sen. Warren Magnuson?

[Jackson]

I doubt any of the posters in this thread are old enough to be able to make that comparison, Frodo.

[Ogre Mage]

Washingtonians, I have a question:

Now that Sen. Patty Murray is in her fourth term, and Sen. Maria Cantwell is in position to win her third, how do they compare with the late Sen. Warren Magnuson?

I wasn't around during Maggie's heyday but I've read a little about him so I'll give it a try.

Neither has reached that stature (yet) but Murray now has enough clout that she isn't far off. The Magnuson comparison makes more sense for Murray because her down-home style is reminiscent of Magnuson.  Like Magnuson Murray generally avoids the spotlight, preferring to operate under the radar.  Also, at the height of his power Magnuson chaired the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee.  Murray is a senior member of that committee (the prime reason for her effectiveness at delivering federal dollars to Washington state -- she is very similar to Magnuson in this regard) and I think she has the potential to someday chair the committee too.  However, Murray does not have Magnuson's salty personal life.

Cantwell's serious, more cerebral approach and high-profile environmentalism is more reminiscent of Washington's other Senate legend, Scoop Jackson.

[Frodo]

Washingtonians, I have a question:

Now that Sen. Patty Murray is in her fourth term, and Sen. Maria Cantwell is in position to win her third, how do they compare with the late Sen. Warren Magnuson?

I wasn't around during Maggie's heyday but I've read a little about him so I'll give it a try.

Neither has reached that stature (yet) but Murray now has enough clout that she isn't far off. The Magnuson comparison makes more sense for Murray because her down-home style is reminiscent of Magnuson.  Like Magnuson Murray generally avoids the spotlight, preferring to operate under the radar.  Also, at the height of his power Magnuson chaired the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee.  Murray is a senior member of that committee (the prime reason for her effectiveness at delivering federal dollars to Washington state -- she is very similar to Magnuson in this regard) and I think she has the potential to someday chair the committee too.  However, Murray does not have Magnuson's salty personal life.

Then I guess I will have to ask the question again sometime in the 2020s then.  

But thanks for the good informative answer, though.  

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But not her foreign policy?  Scoop Jackson was best known for being a hawk on national security issues.  Didn't prominent neo-conservatives used to serve on his staff, like Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, among others?

[RI]

I just got robocalled by the Gingrich campaign. It was quite amusing.

[Alcon]

I just got robocalled by the Gingrich campaign. It was quite amusing.

Haha, what'd they have to say?

[RI]

I just got robocalled by the Gingrich campaign. It was quite amusing.

Haha, what'd they have to say?

Obama's leading America to "radical, European socialism". Vote for me because I worked with Jack Kemp once. The rest of the field is great too, but they use talking points and slogans like "Yes We Can" too much...yada yada standard stuff.

Gingrich read the whole thing though.

[Ogre Mage]

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But not her foreign policy?  Scoop Jackson was best known for being a hawk on national security issues.  Didn't prominent neo-conservatives used to serve on his staff, like Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, among others?

Yes, Perle and Wolfowitz were former Jackson staffers.

Cantwell voted for the Iraq War and refused to recant, which infuriated anti-war Democrats in Washington State.  She got a lot of blowback over this in 2005 and the first half of 2006.  This has some similarities to the intraparty rebellion "superhawk" Jackson faced over Vietnam.  But while she is more hawkish than Patty Murray (who voted against the war), I think to characterize Cantwell as some sort of neocon by way of Scoop Jackson is a mistake.  As the war went south Cantwell grew increasingly critical of Bush both rhetorically and in her votes, including supporting the 2006 nonbinding resolution which urged a withdrawal of forces.  There's little evidence she is a true believer in the way Jackson was.  In that sense, she resembles Jackson more in terms of his political persona rather than his issues.  Both politicians are/were serious, intense, driven individuals not known for levity.

In terms of influence, Cantwell has a ways to go before she is at Magnuson/Jackson or even Patty Murray levels.  But she works very hard and is on the Senate's other "power" committee, Finance, so perhaps someday she will get there.

[redcommander]

Michael Baumgartner turns Sen. Cantwell's marital status into a political attack:

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2017022077_baumgartner.html?syndication=rss

It will be amusing seeing this jerk get whipped next year.

My god what a stupid comment for him to make. Not only is it discriminatory, but insinuates that she's odd for being single and childless. I seriously hope Reichert sees the writing of another likely Republican wave on the wall and puts his hat in the ring, because this is an election blowing statement for Baumgartner to say.

[Alcon]

I just got robocalled by the Gingrich campaign. It was quite amusing.

Haha, what'd they have to say?

Obama's leading America to "radical, European socialism". Vote for me because I worked with Jack Kemp once. The rest of the field is great too, but they use talking points and slogans like "Yes We Can" too much...yada yada standard stuff.

Gingrich read the whole thing though.

That's kind of weird you got it, though...a new-ish voter with no partisan Republican history in a down-the-list caucus state...?  He must be casting a wide net.

[Meeker]

I just got robocalled by the Gingrich campaign. It was quite amusing.

Haha, what'd they have to say?

Obama's leading America to "radical, European socialism". Vote for me because I worked with Jack Kemp once. The rest of the field is great too, but they use talking points and slogans like "Yes We Can" too much...yada yada standard stuff.

Gingrich read the whole thing though.

That's kind of weird you got it, though...a new-ish voter with no partisan Republican history in a down-the-list caucus state...?  He must be casting a wide net.

I know of a household in the Olympia area that got a robocall from Gingrich a few weeks ago as well... the folks are strong Democrats so it was especially odd.

[Meeker]

Oh jeez: http://electstanflemming.com/

Also, thread title change.

[bgwah]

Oh jeez: http://electstanflemming.com/

Also, thread title change.

Is he hoping to be in WA-10?

[Meeker]

I'm guessing so. A run against Dicks would be a complete waste of time.

[bgwah]

I'm guessing so. A run against Dicks would be a complete waste of time.

Would he be a strong opponent for Heck? I know very little about South Sound politics.

[Meeker]

I'm guessing so. A run against Dicks would be a complete waste of time.

Would he be a strong opponent for Heck? I know very little about South Sound politics.

He's got a good bio (former Democrat, moderate, physician, combat veteran, African-American) and is pretty popular in University Place. On the other hand, U.P. may not even end up in the 10th and it'll only be a small fraction of it if it is. He also hasn't worked very hard in the two elections of his I've observed; seems to prefer spending his time with non-political community involvement stuff.

I don't think he'd be able to get past Muri to get to the general.