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dudeabides
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« on: August 31, 2015, 10:48:04 PM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights

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dudeabides
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 06:34:45 AM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.
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dudeabides
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 01:00:16 PM »

.... Fine with abortion? "It is the law of the land... Until we end it."

As for Medicaid, it's idiotic not to take it. The only real problem with ObamaCare is the individual mandate.


Just wait until the federal money runs out.

It won't run out, they'll just print more.
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dudeabides
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 01:22:47 PM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.

Jeb is the ultimate beta male (and beta males do not have a good track record winning Presidential elections), so it's pretty ironic for a Jeb supporter to call any of the other candidates "wimps."

There is nothing wrong with being a compassionate male, I don't think there is anything wrong with men showing their heart. That goes for Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and every male in this society.

That being said, Jeb Bush has stood up for conservative principles even under political pressure. Under pressure, John Kasich caved to the liberals and now justifies doing so by using is faith to justify expanding the welfare state. If John Kasich couldn't stand up for fiscal responsibility and sound policy on medicaid, if he takes the Supreme Court as gospel, how can we expect him to stand up for ordinary Americans who are struggling because of big government?
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dudeabides
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2015, 11:15:09 PM »

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.

Jeb is the ultimate beta male (and beta males do not have a good track record winning Presidential elections), so it's pretty ironic for a Jeb supporter to call any of the other candidates "wimps."

There is nothing wrong with being a compassionate male, I don't think there is anything wrong with men showing their heart. That goes for Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and every male in this society.

That being said, Jeb Bush has stood up for conservative principles even under political pressure. Under pressure, John Kasich caved to the liberals and now justifies doing so by using is faith to justify expanding the welfare state. If John Kasich couldn't stand up for fiscal responsibility and sound policy on medicaid, if he takes the Supreme Court as gospel, how can we expect him to stand up for ordinary Americans who are struggling because of big government?

Kasich was correct on Medicaid; failing to accept expanded Medicaid has caused many states to experience funding problems with hospitals, particularly many rural hospitals.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/08/01/336907606/a-conservative-mayor-fights-to-expand-medicaid-in-north-carolina

Jeb doesn't care.  His "cost containment" plan just means that the uninsured will be short the ability to afford healthcare by a lesser margin. 

First of all, there is a solution to the article you posted. It's the free market. If there is a true demand for a hospital, one will open. The Mayor shouldn't be going to the federal government for a bailout.

Secondly, allowing the poor to obtain private health insurance enables them to have the same quality of care as everyone else. The plan in Florida saved taxpayer dollars and the folks who were insured under it like it. 99% of the time, the free market is more effective than government. Those who oppose the plan are basically saying that poor people shouldn't have the same access to quality health care as everyone else, that's wrong. States and the free market should be the one's helping the poor obtain health insurance, the federal government should have an extremely limited role if a role at all in this regard.

1. His record in the private sector and as Governor of Florida
- With a partner, established a company that became the largest full-service commercial real estate firm in South Florida
- Reduced taxes by $19 billion
- Reduced the size of state government by 11% and privatized agencies and services
- Enacted tort reform
- Enacted medicaid reform with more choices including private options
- Enacted the nation's first statewide school voucher program
- Ended social promotion in third grade
- Supported opportunity scholarships
- Signed "Stand Your Ground" into law along with 11 other NRA-backed gun laws
- Ended partial-birth abortion
- Eliminated civil service protections to reward effective workers but fire incompetent ones
- Presided over a credit upgrade, the creation of more jobs than any state in America, and 4.4% growth in Florida's economy

2. His vision
- Lower tax rates with fewer deductions and loopholes
- A balanced budget constitutional amendment
- Paul Ryan's constitutional line-item veto
- A strong national defense without policing the world
- Entitlement reform
- Immigration reform with a pathway to legal status, a guest worker program, and e-verify with a secure border and an end to sanctuary cities
- Repeal of Obamacare
- Embracing the energy revolution
- State's rights



But his name outweighs any of that. Kasich is the better candidate.

Kasich is a wimp who is fine with Roe V. Wade and used his religion to justify expanding medicaid under Obamacare, no thanks.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that Kasich committed the Republican cardinal sins: caring about women's bodily autonomy and caring for the downtrodden.

Caring for the poor is an important attribute of any individual human and society. But expanding medicaid under the Obamacare scheme is not the best way to care for the poor. The way to best care for those without health insurance is to do a few things. First, focus on lowering the cost of health insurance through increasing competition so more people can afford health care. Also, allow state's to do what they please through medicaid.

Secondly, how about an unborn child's right to life? Unless the mother's health is at risk, or there is a case of rape or incest, abortion should be illegal.
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dudeabides
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 11:58:35 PM »


Never said he was, but he did say that Roe V. Wade is the "law of the land."
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dudeabides
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2015, 07:40:59 AM »


Never said he was, but he did say that Roe V. Wade is the "law of the land."

Well it is, and passing legislation people know to be unconstitutional that will, often very quickly, be voided by Federal Courts, is a deliberate waste of taxpayer monies.  I don't like that fact, but even Samuel Alito, during his confirmation hearings, described Roe v. Wade as "a precedent worthy of respect".  And in Constitutional Law, based on the principle of stare decisis, it very much is.  Short of the SCOTUS overruling itself (unlikely, but possible) or a Constitutional Amendment passing that prohibits abortion (not possible, politically, at this point in time), that's where we're at.  Unfortunately.

The founding fathers did not intend for the U.S. Supreme Court to create legislation, they intended the court to be a check on the other branches of government. They also intended for a limited federal government and state's rights, the Roe V. Wade decision undermined this idea. The fact is, the U.S. Supreme Court issued an opinion in this case, but they went beyond their constitutional role in seeking to create law. We often forget that in reality, congress and the President must listen to the supreme court, but there is nothing in the constitution that says they must obey the supreme court, it's not a civil or criminal court.

Secondly, I find it fascinating that for over four decades, Republicans have done nothing other than banning partial-birth abortion which is "constitutional" under Roe V. Wade to "over-turn" the decision when it's been a few short years since Citizens United and the Democrats are trying to "over-turn" that decision. Furthermore, Roe V. Wade can't be the "law of the land" because there is no Roe V. Wade law.
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