Immigrants, including ILLEGAL, far less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans

[GALeftist]

A couple of moronic responses to this statistical fact:

1. "Any crime committed by an illegal immigrant is one too many" and the corollary "deporting illegal immigrants would lower the absolute number of crimes even if it increased the crime rate." While this is technically an argument against illegal immigration, it is a stronger argument against legal immigration and indeed the birth of natural-born citizens. Any time you increase the population of a country, the absolute number of crimes goes up. You can say that crime committed by citizens and/or legal immigrants is categorically different (I disagree, but it would at least make your position internally consistent), but if you say that, you are definitionally not concerned with lowering crime per se, and if you say that you are you are lying at least to your audience and possibly to yourself.

2. "All illegal immigrants are criminals because they immigrated illegally." While this is again technically true, if people actually believed this then Laken Riley would have gotten zero attention because her murder would have changed nothing. Her murderer would simply be a "criminal" just like every other illegal immigrant, and would deserve exactly the same response as any other illegal immigrant: deportation. Obviously, no one actually believes this. When people say that illegal immigrants are criminals, they are obviously referring to crimes that harm people, which mere illegal immigration does not.

[GALeftist]

It's still a losing issue for Democrats as most voters don't care about statistics. It's more about vibes, feeling and perceptions. Basically the same with studies showing the US economy would be doing worse without immigrants.

What would help is Biden hammering Republicans on a border security deal and try to do more via executive action. In the long run, only comprehensive immigration reform can address or resolve the issue.

I understand that the median American will never truly believe that illegal immigrants make the country wealthier and safer, but it is frustrating when daily posters on talkelections dot org who have eaten of the proverbial tree of knowledge parrot the same internally inconsistent and/or factually incorrect opinions on immigration. I honestly have more respect for straight-up racists on this issue, because at least they are actually correct that immigration makes the country less white, so if you want a more white country then limiting immigration makes sense. It doesn't make sense if your concern is about crime or taxes or whatever.

[GALeftist]

It's still a losing issue for Democrats as most voters don't care about statistics. It's more about vibes, feeling and perceptions. Basically the same with studies showing the US economy would be doing worse without immigrants.

What would help is Biden hammering Republicans on a border security deal and try to do more via executive action. In the long run, only comprehensive immigration reform can address or resolve the issue.

I understand that the median American will never truly believe that illegal immigrants make the country wealthier and safer, but it is frustrating when daily posters on talkelections dot org who have eaten of the proverbial tree of knowledge parrot the same internally inconsistent and/or factually incorrect opinions on immigration. I honestly have more respect for straight-up racists on this issue, because at least they are actually correct that immigration makes the country less white, so if you want a more white country then limiting immigration makes sense. It doesn't make sense if your concern is about crime or taxes or whatever.

What's inconsistent about trying to end illegal immigration in favor of legal immigration? I know it's difficult to accomplish both on political and practical matters, though it seems like a rational stance that even most of the public would support. In a way, democratic (small d) governments must factor in public opinions because they rely on it.

There's nothing inconsistent about it per se. What's inconsistent is to say that curtailing illegal immigration is a coherent way to address crime, unless you also support a one-child policy or something like that.

[GALeftist]

It's still a losing issue for Democrats as most voters don't care about statistics. It's more about vibes, feeling and perceptions. Basically the same with studies showing the US economy would be doing worse without immigrants.

What would help is Biden hammering Republicans on a border security deal and try to do more via executive action. In the long run, only comprehensive immigration reform can address or resolve the issue.

I understand that the median American will never truly believe that illegal immigrants make the country wealthier and safer, but it is frustrating when daily posters on talkelections dot org who have eaten of the proverbial tree of knowledge parrot the same internally inconsistent and/or factually incorrect opinions on immigration. I honestly have more respect for straight-up racists on this issue, because at least they are actually correct that immigration makes the country less white, so if you want a more white country then limiting immigration makes sense. It doesn't make sense if your concern is about crime or taxes or whatever.

What's inconsistent about trying to end illegal immigration in favor of legal immigration? I know it's difficult to accomplish both on political and practical matters, though it seems like a rational stance that even most of the public would support. In a way, democratic (small d) governments must factor in public opinions because they rely on it.

There's nothing inconsistent about it per se. What's inconsistent is to say that curtailing illegal immigration is a coherent way to address crime, unless you also support a one-child policy or something like that.

I didn't say or mean that either. Crime is a much wider issue and I would assume - some statistics might correct me - illegal immigrants are more likely to be a victim of crime than commit one in the US beyond the unlawful entrance.

Oh, sorry, I wasn't referring to you specifically! This was more a general comment regarding other people ITT.