Office of Governor Sawx - Come One, Come All (SPECIAL ELECTION AHOY)

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Griffin lt governor of sawx: HAHAHAHA

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Just curious,
The NE laws have been amended??? Because before, if I recall correctly, the governor was forced to appoint a representative from the same party.

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May I ask why you have chosen not to respect the will of the voters by not appointing a Laborite?

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May I ask why you have chosen not to respect the will of the voters by not appointing a Laborite?

Because I made a personal promise to DKrol, and I am a man of my word.

What about the coalition partner you're throwing under the bus? What about the will of the NE voters to get elected 2 Labor members in the assembly? Doesn't it matter at all for you?

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May I ask why you have chosen not to respect the will of the voters by not appointing a Laborite?

Because I made a personal promise to DKrol, and I am a man of my word.

What about the coalition partner you're throwing under the bus? What about the will of the NE voters to get elected 2 Labor members in the assembly? Doesn't it matter at all for you?

It's funny you question my commitment to our coalition, considering you made vicious private attacks towards the key member on our side to making it succeed. It's also funny that when Turk and I called you out on it, you doubled down and decided to attack my party (that you are a coalition partner with, whether you like it or not) as a whole as an "inactive party". Despite DKrol's appointment:

*the left still has a majority in the Assembly
*literally every other active Northeast Laborite is already in office

I'm also puzzled why I'm getting lectured by a Mideasterner on how a three-week appointment is a slap in the face to the voters of the Northeast.

Because you "lectured" me about that. So I find that funny you're not even able to "respect" the coalition partner.

And please, "vicious private attacks"? There is a difference between saying "oh some members of your party are inactive", and the attacks you made against me, implying that I made some bad comments about the mental health of one the member of your party. So please, use the good "adjectives" without overreacting next time.

Because my party is weakened because of your move, so I'm directly concerned. And yes, the voters elected 2 NE Labor for the session. 3 week in a legislature are a lot.

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Lol, I did apologize to BK. And he did apologize to me as well. But I never made any comment about his "mental health" or whatever you have imploed.

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Well, are you talking about yourself? I was asking you why you didn't appoint a NE Labor member and the only thing you did was attacking me about a thing made last month.

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BK is not crazy. Senator I know crazy, I was good friends with crazy, I served crazy, you don't know crazy.

Some reason I felt motivated to post that, but that's Crazy.

As for activity, BK has struggled as far back as late 2010 on that front. After Tmth cost me the PPTship by voting for BK in March 2010, I figured I would never get it back. I challenged him every time to "provide competition", but it was a lost clause.

Then in September 2010, he "forgot" to declare and I won it back. I then got serve as PPT during Halloween and we had so much fun, didn't we, Duke, bgwah, BK, Libertas, Andrew, Dallasfan, Franzl, Barnes, Hans and Bullmoose? Good Times, Good Times.

Of course he's not crazy, he's a super guy that I like and respect a lot .

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Well, are you talking about yourself? I was asking you why you didn't appoint a NE Labor member and the only thing you did was attacking me about a thing made last month.

Wrong again!

I just said that I appointed DKrol because I am a man of integrity, and I had already lined him up for an appointment when he lost the election in February. You didn't like this, so you decided to question my commitment to working with you for trying to keep a promise I made to someone, and I just decided to question yours in return.

You don't want people to question your commitment? Put your problems aside and work with everyone in it. It's why the Northeast is the best region in the world.

I criticized your decision of appointing Dkrolga because it did cost a seat for my party for 3 weeks.
And you tried to defend yourself by attacking my record. So this is basically what you're reproaching me, you know, when criticized, overreacting and answering by critics.

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Well, are you talking about yourself? I was asking you why you didn't appoint a NE Labor member and the only thing you did was attacking me about a thing made last month.

Wrong again!

I just said that I appointed DKrol because I am a man of integrity, and I had already lined him up for an appointment when he lost the election in February. You didn't like this, so you decided to question my commitment to working with you for trying to keep a promise I made to someone, and I just decided to question yours in return.

You don't want people to question your commitment? Put your problems aside and work with everyone in it. It's why the Northeast is the best region in the world.

I criticized your decision of appointing Dkrolga because it did cost a seat for my party for 3 WEEKS.
And you tried to defend yourself by attacking my record. So this is basically what you're reproaching me, you know, when criticized, overreacting and answering by critics.

A seat that you are not entitled to. The people elected Blair, not Labor.

The people elected Blair, a member of the Labor Party.

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A seat that you are not entitled to. The people elected Blair, not Labor.

The people elected Blair, a member of the Labor Party.

So by your logic, since Duke and I voted for Griffin in the special election, we would vote for any Laborite over our any TPPer to succeed BK, and since Talleyrand gave Pikachu a 1st preference, he believes TPP is the best party to govern the Assembly.

See how fycking ridiculous that sounds?

Sawx,
This wasn't a non partisan election. It would be ridiculous if indeed I would have known for example that Blair was a catholic and I would have reproached for having appointed a protestant.
But this is a party. The party who is listed on the ballot. So please, don't be hypocrit. You party GOVT a lot, like I do. You know how important the party is for the voters before casting their votes. Especially when all of the candidates except Matt never ran for an office before, right? So yes, people vote as well for the party, and often most for the party than for the candidate when this is a really local race with many newbies.
That doesn't mean every labor voter will vote for a laborite, or that every TPP voter will vote for a TPP. But most of them do.
Northeasters indeed voted to elect two 2 laborites as their representative. And this is sad to see you're not respecting their will. I would have said the same thing if it had happened in the ME. If for instance, Truman resigned, I would strongly urge TDAS04 to appoint a member of TPP because they voted to elect a TPPer.

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Either way, I am a man of my word, and my word after the April elections was that DKrol was first in line. With all due respect, my word is more important than any marching orders, especially those from outside my region.

Could you stop overreacting? I never ordered you anything. I m just pissed off that my party lost half of his NE seats and that you find that totally normal.

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Assuming Regions are allowed to create election laws for Regional Senate elections (in addition to Assembly elections which the bill was originally made for), I believe the Northeast Electoral Clarity Act also applies here, meaning a win by most 2nd preferences is legit.

For a SPECIAL election, I think you are probably correct.  Article I, Section 4, Clause 4 of the Atlasian Constitution states: "Any vacancy occurring in a Class A Senate seat shall be filled according to the laws of the respective region."  So the laws of the Northeast regarding vote counting should theoretically govern.

I could see the counterargument and a lawsuit, though.  Since the CJO's office is vacant, it would probably need to be filed in the Atlasian Supreme Court.

I agree with you. The NE laws should govern. So is there a NE law imposing a minimum voting requirement (like 10 posts in the  8 previous months?)
If there is no law imposing a minimum voting requirement, Pessimistic Antonio, Peeperkorn and the Socialist avatar from Maine should have been counted, and so Clyde should have won by 1.

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And maybe Talleyrand's vote shouldn't be counted as well?
So it would be a tie again:
Clyde (15): A person, Griffin, Eraserhead, Poirot, Lief, Clyde, Blair, Peeperkorn, Castro, Pikachu, DemPGH, Bore, Hockeydude, Polnut, 84250

Rpryor (15): RGN, DKrolga, rpryor, NHI, cinyc, Jomcar, twistory, Winfield, Pessimistic, Autumnleaf, smoltchanov, mattrose, dallas, sawx, mattVT

So according to sawx??? Second preferences:
Clyde: rgn, cinyc, jomcar, winfield, Pessimistic Antonio, smoltchanov, Mattrose (7)
Rpryor: griffin, poirot, peeperkorn, pikachu, Dempgh, bore, polnut(7)

There is a tie in second preference???

So what's going on?

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The socialist avatar from Maine was a few minutes after the ballot closed.

The socialis vote: « Reply #32 on: July 12, 2015, 11:08:06 pm »
According to you: This booth will open on July 9 at 23:59:59 EST and close on July 12 at 23:59:59 EST - voting before this time will invalidate your ballot.

So are you sure???