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Blue3
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« on: January 04, 2024, 03:42:22 PM »

Housing construction is a big part.

With the shift to remote work, we should convert a lot of office buildings to apartments now too. And incentivize more businesses to return to mostly-remote to clear up more office buildings, to counter the remote work backlash.
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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2024, 06:09:32 PM »

Housing construction is a big part.

With the shift to remote work, we should convert a lot of office buildings to apartments now too. And incentivize more businesses to return to mostly-remote to clear up more office buildings, to counter the remote work backlash.

What rationale do people have to live in cities if they don't work there?  WFH has mostly been a boon to low-cost exurban or rural areas.

Transitioning office blocks to condos is also a very expensive undertaking and is not a money-making move for cities in the long-term.  Residents demand more in services than suits, but pay relatively less in taxes.
Cities already have the buildings to convert. And also better for transportation, finding everything they need, social lives, etc. though I agree policies to incentive remote work would also lead to a boom in cheaper housing in rural places too, which would also be great.

And converting is probably cheaper than building more suburban houses. We’ve already converted lots of old mill buildings due to the better affordability. Office buildings are going to slowly die in jobs where they’re not needed, so good to incentive it happening a little more quickly
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2024, 04:57:38 AM »
« Edited: January 09, 2024, 05:04:48 AM by Blue3 »

Housing construction is a big part.

With the shift to remote work, we should convert a lot of office buildings to apartments now too. And incentivize more businesses to return to mostly-remote to clear up more office buildings, to counter the remote work backlash.

What rationale do people have to live in cities if they don't work there?  WFH has mostly been a boon to low-cost exurban or rural areas.

Transitioning office blocks to condos is also a very expensive undertaking and is not a money-making move for cities in the long-term.  Residents demand more in services than suits, but pay relatively less in taxes.
Cities already have the buildings to convert. And also better for transportation, finding everything they need, social lives, etc. though I agree policies to incentive remote work would also lead to a boom in cheaper housing in rural places too, which would also be great.

And converting is probably cheaper than building more suburban houses. We’ve already converted lots of old mill buildings due to the better affordability. Office buildings are going to slowly die in jobs where they’re not needed, so good to incentive it happening a little more quickly

Converting large office buildings is actually pretty tricky because they were designed for a different purpose than apartments. Generally, office buildings are just thicker than apartment buildings meaning you're going to have a lot of rooms with no windows or have very awkward long skinny rooms. If you want a visual example of this problem, just look at a converted building like this: https://streeteasy.com/building/twenty-exchange



Another problem is that office buildings tend to have significantly more robust cores than apartment buildings - office buildings here in the city reguarly have 20, 30 or 40 elevators - larger apartment buildings tend to have no more than 6.

Also plumbing - Residential buildings have significantly different plumbing needs than offices, so adding all the becomes tricky.

I think while re-purposing buildings is great, it can end up being more expensive than just doing a new build, so in many cases they're converted into ultra-expensive condos.


How does it work with all the old mill buildings? I feel like those have to have similar constraints (besides the elevators) and they’ve been a favorite for new housing for a couple decades.
https://www.diprete-eng.com/engineering-news/rhode-islands-mill-lofts-conversion/
https://www.housingfinance.com/developments/historic-mill-converted-to-mixed-income-housing-in-providence_o
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mill_conversion

They’re also trying to convert our mall into apartments, and I’d say that’s a lot more difficult, right?
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/politics/2022/10/07/providence-place-mall-seeks-new-business-model-apartments-and-tax-breaks/8207037001/
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