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jfern
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« on: February 17, 2016, 10:26:46 PM »

So they found the 3 blacks in Vermont that don't like Bernie. Whatever. Even Hillary hack PPP had Bernie at 100% with blacks in Vermont.
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 10:32:43 PM »

But not one - including Hillary Clinton - actually put themselves out there or sacrificed anything to help end injustice against minorities.

Sincere question: What does this really mean? This is an easy thing to say, but in all of these conversations I don't understand what could possibly qualify for this. Beyond lending vocal support to these causes, being on the right side of these issues, and lending their images (as Hillary and Bernie have both done to varying degrees over their lives) what more could be done? What is the chasm in their records that shows they haven't done enough for minorities? What even is "enough"?

Very good question. Similar question: How exactly do you address the plight of African Americans WITHOUT discussing economics? There's criminal justice reform (on which Sanders is far more radical than Clinton) but beyond that, what else? How do you address that people are poor without talking about economics? Wring your hands about "White supremacy" and self flagellate over privilege? Those seem to be the only things people call for and they don't actually do anything. Certainly not compared to universal access to higher education and health care, which have very real concrete effects.

There are actually things Bernie has said about race that aren't about economics. But obviously economics and racial justice are both needed.
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2016, 10:39:50 PM »
« Edited: February 17, 2016, 10:44:45 PM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

88% of those on the Florida 2000 Scrub list were black. When there was testimony about it at the US Civil Rights Commission, Bernie was the only white member of Congress to show up. I have no idea why, since those 88% were clearly invisible to him.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2016, 03:28:10 AM »

Chelsea Clinton literally just came out and said his plan to end mass incarceration was too radical.

Yeah, there goes that argument. The family whose President had the largest increase in mass incarceration owns mass incarceration.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 09:00:20 PM »

Chelsea Clinton literally just came out and said his plan to end mass incarceration was too radical.

And why are you surprised? Almost all of Sanders' major policy proposals have been criticized by liberal wonks as out of touch.

Chelsea Clinton is a liberal wonk now? You should really know when to stop digging.


PPP managed to poll a few. 1% of 693 voters. All for Bernie.
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