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The Vorlon
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« on: September 01, 2008, 08:18:13 PM »
« edited: September 01, 2008, 08:22:51 PM by The Vorlon »

To my eye anyway, both the Obama and McCain campaigns lack focus at this point - it is hard to say in language that will fit on a T-Shirt what the short hand for each campaign's reason for existing actually is...

In 1980, the Great  Ronald Reagan ran on 4 clear messages

1) - Defeat Communism
2) - Cut Taxes
3) - Deregulate the economy
4) - Reduce Government. (3 out of 4 ain't bad!)

Love him or hate him, in 9 words you pretty much knew what you were voting for or against.

Your task, mighty Altasians...

In 10 words or less, what do the Obama and McCain campaigns stand for?



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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 08:21:17 PM »

1. Honor
2. Duty
3. Country
4. Reform

OK, it's a bit vague.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2008, 08:22:40 PM »

1. Honor
2. Duty
3. Country
4. Reform

OK, it's a bit vague.

Perhaps we should add motherhood and apple pie.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 08:23:45 PM »

I can describe both in two words:

Strategic ambiguity
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 08:24:27 PM »

1. Honor
2. Duty
3. Country
4. Reform

OK, it's a bit vague.

Like change? At least there is something to change from.

I can say that the fundamentals of Obama's campaign are-

1- Greater economic oppurtunity
2- Greater integration with the rest of the world
3- Solving our natural resource problems
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2008, 08:25:49 PM »

I can describe both in two words:

Strategic ambiguity

You are correct, sadly.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2008, 08:29:59 PM »

Who cares?  I just want to know more about Sarah Palin.
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2008, 08:30:54 PM »

Wait.....these elections are supposed to be over issues?
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2008, 08:32:24 PM »

Wait.....these elections are supposed to be over issues?

Yes. The issues will even be more delicious than our current Halls of Illusions.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2008, 08:46:17 PM »

1. Honor
2. Duty
3. Country
4. Reform

OK, it's a bit vague.

Perhaps we should add motherhood and apple pie.

That's what Palin is on the ticket for.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2008, 08:46:35 PM »


     Indeed. Neither campaign has really stayed on message so far. McCain in particular has sent mixed signals by picking Palin.
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2008, 08:47:53 PM »

I've take a shot at Obama-

1) Universally affordable health care
2) Get out of Iraq
3) End the culture wars
4) Build a grassroots based politics
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2008, 09:18:56 PM »

American Presidential elections have revolved around three major/and one minor theme.  The prevailing one has largely been based on the circumstances of the day.  They are:

1.) the economy, (this has usually been the predominant theme)
2.) foreign policy/national defense, (during times of conflict or impending conflict)
3.) social issues, (1968 to present), and (minor theme).
4.) the average guy versus the elite.

Now, neither Obama nor McCain have a good grasp of economics.  Obama's vague bromides come apart when close attention is paid to them while McCain has been so erratic, no one serious trusts him.

On foreign policy/national defense, McCain mops up the floor with Obama.  Obama's pathetic "nuanced" reaction to the Russian invasion of Georgia as contrasted to McCain's intelligent and sound response really underlines this area.  If there is another foreign policy crisis between now and the election (say, Russia invades another country), this could well tip the scale in McCain's favor.

On social policy, both candidates have a deaf ear for the electorate.  Where Clinton was brilliant in putting this subject to rest in 1992 with his denunciation of Sister Sojah and returning to Arkansas to sign a death warrant, Obama has talked about Americans "clinging" to religion, guns and hatred of foreigners.  On the other hand, McCain is still distrusted by the antiabortion people, gun owners and opponents of illegal aliens.  On balance, McCain has given up more on this area than typical Republican candidates since 1968, and it could well be his undoing.  The nomination of Palin has somewhat helped the distrust subside, but it remains strong below the surface.

Now, Hillary really socked it to Obama in the primaries with the common man versus the effete snobs approach.  McCain may be able to make some progress in the area.

However, events are in the saddle, and McCain is well known for saying/doing stupid things to his own detriment.

I don't see this election being a major win for either candidate, and suspect the winning candidate may end up finding his victory hollow in the end.
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2008, 09:33:50 PM »

Who cares?  I just want to know more about Sarah Palin.
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