ROC President and Legislative elections Jan 11 2020

[Kamala's side hoe]

 
One last theory has to do with the social conservationism of the pro-independence bloc.  There are two types of Taiwan Independence.  Left Independence and Right Independence.  Left Independence is a lot larger and mostly are for Independence due to different social economic and political systems between ROC and PRC.  They tend not to reject their ethnic identity as Chinese but view Taiwan as a separate Chinese state (like Egypt is a separate Arab state) and does not rule out unification if the PRC and ROC social systems somehow converge.  Right independence are socially conservative and tend to reject the Chinese identity at the ethnic and for some even at the biological/genetic level.   Right Independence size are small but a lot more organized and contains a bunch of wealthly individuals.  It is Right Independence that make up most of the money and organisation of the pro-independence bloc.  This group at some level is resentful of Tsai as a women (and unmarried at that) leader and earlier in 2016-2017 also held pro-gay marriage positions which she mostly quietly retracted.  Of course the Right Independence bloc knows that DPP is the only game in town to make progress on Taiwan Independence and part of the DPP coalition does include urban progressives so Right Independence tends to keep quite about their socially conservative views.  But what they can do is to overthrow DPP leaders that does not jive with their socially conservative views  using the excuse that they are not "pure" enough on Taiwan Independence.

Interesting. I was under the impression that many Left independence activists are anti-Chinese identity as well.

[Kamala's side hoe]

One last theory has to do with the social conservationism of the pro-independence bloc.  There are two types of Taiwan Independence.  Left Independence and Right Independence.  Left Independence is a lot larger and mostly are for Independence due to different social economic and political systems between ROC and PRC.  They tend not to reject their ethnic identity as Chinese but view Taiwan as a separate Chinese state (like Egypt is a separate Arab state) and does not rule out unification if the PRC and ROC social systems somehow converge.  Right independence are socially conservative and tend to reject the Chinese identity at the ethnic and for some even at the biological/genetic level.   Right Independence size are small but a lot more organized and contains a bunch of wealthly individuals.  It is Right Independence that make up most of the money and organisation of the pro-independence bloc.  This group at some level is resentful of Tsai as a women (and unmarried at that) leader and earlier in 2016-2017 also held pro-gay marriage positions which she mostly quietly retracted.  Of course the Right Independence bloc knows that DPP is the only game in town to make progress on Taiwan Independence and part of the DPP coalition does include urban progressives so Right Independence tends to keep quite about their socially conservative views.  But what they can do is to overthrow DPP leaders that does not jive with their socially conservative views  using the excuse that they are not "pure" enough on Taiwan Independence.

Interesting. I was under the impression that many Left independence activists are anti-Chinese identity as well.

Depends on the word Chinese.  Chinese can be mapped to two different words: 中國 which is political or 中華 which is cultural and ethnic.   Left Independence, especially those in leadership, have no problem with  中華 but object to 中國 as 中國 has a connotation of a authoritarian centralizing political superstate that has political control of all ethnic Chinese.  Many Left Independence leaders, at least of the older generation, started their political careers as Left unification before shifting over. Right Independence really denies their ties to 中華  either by talking up the their ethnic ties to Taiwanese aborigines or talking up Japanese cultural influence.

Sounds like the R Independence bloc is the more radical and more “idpol” (ethno-nationalist/xenophobic) branch, while both are conflicting ideas/groups within the DPP/Pan-Green bloc.

Is Lee Teng-hui associated more with the R Independence bloc? I’ve heard he’s one of the more pro-Japan Taiwanese politicians.

[Kamala's side hoe]

Congrats to my family friend 范雲(Fan Yun) former Chairperson of SDP but now on the DPP PR list.  She was duly elected.  The Pan-Green section of my family are really excited.


Yun Fan
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Also congrats to family friend and GP founder 高成炎(Kao Cheng-yan) returned to run on the GP PR slate and all things equal GP over-performed expectation.    I might abhor his and his party's positions but a job well done.

What do you dislike about the Green Party's positions? I know very little about the party other than that it's a broadly center-left third party and is unaffiliated with both the DPP and the Pan-Green coalition. Are Taiwan's anti-nuclear policies more due to the Green Party or the DPP?

Although the party is sympathetic to Taiwan nationalism and shares a number of centre-left positions with the Pan-Green Coalition, the party emphasizes campaigning primarily on social and environmental issues. The party is not a member of, and should not be confused with, the Pan-Green Coalition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_Taiwan

[Kamala's side hoe]

Big ROC referendum day is tomorrow.

The 4 proposals are

Restart 4th Nuclear power plant
Ban on ractopamine-containing pork imports
Referendum dates to be on election dates
Algae reef protection as part of the construction of the LNG Terminal

The KMT is for all 4 while DPP is against all 4.

At first I was surprised that both the DPP and GP opposed this, but it makes sense when framed in the context of natural gas (NG) vs nuclear, and those 2 parties wanting nuclear to be phased out completely. I imagine the TSU also opposes natural gas imports from China for “national security/sovereignty” reasons. 

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/12/19/2003769852