2024 Third Party and Independent Candidate General discussion

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The thing is that the Libertarian or Green party would collapse if that was the case due to the many diverse interests in the parties.

They're still smaller tents than the 2 main parties.

Dude, no they are not.

If the tents were larger than there should be more people presently inside the tent.

I'm not a person that treats Marxism-Leninism and Trotskyism (or Minarchism and Objectivism) as if they're completely different philosophies that are impossible to reconcile.

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Any GP/LP news lately?

LP seems to be mostly focused on 2022 and the upcoming National Convention. There's a comedian named Dave Smith that has said he'll run in 2024. I know nothing about him. Like with the main parties, I think you'll start seeing real candidates enter the ring in 2023. My gut take is Amash runs in 2024 although he's not said anything official or unofficial in that regard. He's still tweeting pro-Libertarian Party things. If that's the case, you'll probably get some Hornberger type to be Amash's main opposition.

September edition of BAN updated ballot access for 2022. There it has Libertarians on 33 states, Greens 15, and Constitution 13.

Couple highlights:

Full party access in Alaska now requires 10821 members:

Libertarians 6846
Greens 1479
Constitution 667

Look like Greens are close to meeting requirement in Delaware.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1443265950204272649

Yeah, the 3rd party results thread on here at the time I mentioned this. A tiny candidate by third party standards - "President" Boddie - was credited more than 2000 write-in votes in one county. Winger at BAN at the time said this was an error by the county election board and that the main beneficiary was likely Carroll, but results had already been submitted and since it didn't affect who the winner is, that was what was reported federally.

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Constitution Party should stay on the list. They're still more of a national political party than any group in this country not named the Libertarians or Greens.

If the Republicans don't nominate Trump in 2024 and kind of leave Trump a bit, I expect they'll have a great 2024 by their standards.

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People's Party now ballot-qualified in Florida. Per Richard Winger, Florida has more ballot-qualified parties than any other state at 11.

Major Political Parties

Florida Democratic Party  DEM
Republican Party of Florida  REP

Minor Political Parties

Constitution Party of Florida  CPF
Ecology Party of Florida  ECO
Green Party of Florida  GRE
Independent Party of Florida  IND
Libertarian Party of Florida  LPF
Party for Socialism and Liberation - Florida  PSL
People's Party  PEO
Reform Party of Florida  REF
Unity Party of Florida  UPF

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Article on the SAM Party organizing in Connecticut.

https://www.theday.com/local-news/20211024/new-political-party-aims-to-build-roots-in-connecticut

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I thought the whole "Stork as our party logo" thing was the dead giveaway the ASP is a Trojan Horse for Christian neoconservatism, Christian democracy at best.

Wow. You got that from a stork.

Regardless, we all know porcupines are best. Although it gives me an idea. If you had to come up with animals for third parties that presently don't have one for a symbol, what would they be? The Reform Party had the Eagle, although that can easily be called way too generic compared to the elephant, porcupine, and donkey.

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ASP contesting Steubenville, OH by-election
https://mobile.twitter.com/AmSolidarity/status/1450874184071065605

I thought the whole "Stork as our party logo" thing was the dead giveaway the ASP is a Trojan Horse for Christian neoconservatism, Christian democracy at best.

Wow. You got that from a stork.

Regardless, we all know porcupines are best. Although it gives me an idea. If you had to come up with animals for third parties that presently don't have one for a symbol, what would they be? The Reform Party had the Eagle, although that can easily be called way too generic compared to the elephant, porcupine, and donkey.

Ok, this is difficult

PSL—we need an aggressive yet collectivist species with a present but weak hierarchical structure. A naked mole rat maybe?
Alliance—I get peacock vibes from them
SWP—beaver on account of their working class background
Socialist Alternative— bumble bee; see the PSL explanation
Forward—Dodo bird

Forward would be more peacock than Alliance. Ditto People's Party. Lot of show and noise with nothing behind it yet.

Greens would probably be some near endangered animal.

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Working Families Party of New York - the opossum, because when people look at them on the road to November to actually do something, they play dead

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So the Forward Party’s main plan is running in Democratic and Republican primaries.

So they're the Working Families Party but going to which primary makes more sense. It tells me they want to stay New York-focused. If they actually stay their own political brand, they're just being entryists. The main parties now have long been pretty weak and for most of the country only function as a cohesive unit as it concerns a ballot access line. Now whether they stay their own political brand - Forward Democrats and Forward Republicans working together in elections - is easier said in theory than in practice.

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October BAN Petitioning Update

2022 PETITIONING

The New Mexico Green Party has started its petition to regain party status, and has 600 signatures. It needs 3,483 signatures by June 2022.

The Common Sense Party of California, which needs approximately 73,000 registrations in order to qualify, had 17,322 registrants as of August 30, an increase of 5,357 in the last 45 days.

The Alabama Libertarian Party has 25,000 signatures. It needs 51,588 by May 24, 2022.

The North Dakota Libertarian Party has 1,000 signatures. It needs 7,000 by April 11, 2022.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QFhfRFNY4DQ

Join Cara Schulz, Laryssa Gaughen, and a ton of 2021 Libertarian Party candidates for a live rundown of election night results from across the country!

Coverage starts at 7pm eastern Tuesday.

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#GreenWave. Are they Tulane supporters?

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#GreenWave. Are they Tulane supporters?

Tulane university?

Yeah. Their athletics teams' nickname is Green Wave. Just being funny.

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Think I saw Libertarians had 130 candidates elected nationally yesterday.

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Think I saw Libertarians had 130 candidates elected nationally yesterday.

For clarity, post the results.

https://www.lp.org/libertarian-party-shatters-records-as-unprecedented-number-of-libertarians-elected-to-office/

Libertarian Party Shatters Records as Unprecedented Number of Libertarians Elected to Office
by Laryssa Gaughen on November 3, 2021 in News, Press Release

(Alexandria, VA) In a record-setting night, the Libertarian Party nearly doubles its number of elected officials across the country.

The party estimates that voters across the United States elected approximately 150 candidates to office last night, with final totals expected to be much higher in the coming weeks due to close calls and write-in races.

Among the notable firsts in Tuesday’s elected and re-elected Libertarians is Ashley Shade, the first transgendered person elected to office in Massachusetts’s Berkshire County. Altamonte Springs, Florida Commissioner Jim Turney was re-elected for a third term, and Benjamin Seevers took the top spot in a 3-way race for North Apollo Borough Council, beating out two Republican challengers.
Libertarian National Committee Chair Whitney Bilyeu issued the following statement on Tuesday’s election results:

“Seeing so many new Libertarians join the already growing ranks of our hundreds of elected officials around the country is truly inspiring. America has become increasingly weary with the two establishment parties as they fail repeatedly to address Americans’ most pressing concerns. This election shows one unmistakable fact: the Libertarian Party has become an integral and growing part of the American political conversation.”

Started watching the results video and it seems there are 100 of them in Pennsylvania that were going to win by acclamation.

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So the Independent party of New York lost Syracuse to a moderate Democrat. They are, in losing that race, reduced to one State Senator. Worse, their registration numbers see at least 100,000 membership registration loss if Wikipedia and BAN are to be believed. I guess factional conflict and the recruitment of their top stars into the Republican Party took its toll.

Syracuse, N.Y. — Syracuse Mayor Ben Walsh has won election to a second term as the city’s top official.

Walsh defeated two challengers, Democrat Khalid Bey and Republican Janet Burman.

Walsh received more than 60% of the vote, according to unofficial results Tuesday night. Bey received 27% and Burman 12%.

Walsh will begin his second term on Jan. 1, 2022. It will be his last term, since mayors have a two-term limit.

Walsh was candidate of the Independence Party in 2017. His father and grandfather I think were elected Republicans, so good political pedigree, but he refused to run on the Republican ballot line. This time the IP had lost their ballot access line, but I went back and looked and Walsh petitioned for an Independence Party ballot line for this election as well.

The last couple weeks a flyer went out printed by the New York Democratic Party comparing Walsh to the Proud Boys. Walsh endorsed Biden for presidential election. Neither the Democratic candidate nor the state party would take responsibility.

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Think I saw Libertarians had 130 candidates elected nationally yesterday.

For clarity, post the results.

Libertarians are on the incline ever since 2012. I expect them to get a house seat within the next 6 years.

Any idea of what region? They seem pretty spread out to a number of city councils and townships.

At this link https://www.lp.org/elected-officials-2/ , it says there are a total of 229 Libertarians holding elected office: 99 partisan and 130 nonpartisan. Partisan is you appeared on the ballot with the party designation "Libertarian". Nonpartisan based on current dues-paying member of the Libertarian Party or currently registered to vote as a Libertarian.

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Think I saw Libertarians had 130 candidates elected nationally yesterday.

For clarity, post the results.

Libertarians are on the incline ever since 2012. I expect them to get a house seat within the next 6 years.

Any idea of what region? They seem pretty spread out to a number of city councils and townships.

At this link https://www.lp.org/elected-officials-2/ , it says there are a total of 229 Libertarians holding elected office: 99 partisan and 130 nonpartisan. Partisan is you appeared on the ballot with the party designation "Libertarian". Nonpartisan based on current dues-paying member of the Libertarian Party or currently registered to vote as a Libertarian.

I actually looked at that before I posted that but I'm unsure where they could actually get enough votes to win a House seat beyond somewhere in Indiana.

Well as the Democratic Party continues to do its total disappearing act from wide swathes of the country that's been going on for at least a decade, who knows what the future will bring. You're either going to have single-party government for decades or people are going to vote for an alternative that's not the Democrats.

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Updated Forward Party site. https://www.forwardparty.com/

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BAN:

On November 2, Minneapolis elected two members to the Board of Estimate and Taxation. The races were citywide. Samantha Pree-Stinson, a member of the Socialist Party, won one of the seats.

The Board has six members, but only two are elected directly. The other members are the Mayor, the President of the City Council, a member of the Park and Recreation Board, and a city council member. The latter two members are chosen by their respective boards. The Board of Estimate and Taxation sets maximum tax rates for most city funds, and helps manage the city’s debt.

There were four candidates. Ranked choice voting was used, but the results would have been the same without RCV. Thanks to Independent Political Report for this news. Here is a page from the Socialist Party’s website, with a statement by Pree-Stinson.

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News PSOL will like:

http://ballot-access.org/2021/11/15/two-california-ballot-qualified-parties-will-run-a-joint-campaign-for-statewide-office-in-2022/

The Green Party of California, and the Peace & Freedom Party, have agreed to a unified 2022 campaign for statewide offices. This means that the parties will support each other’s endorsed statewide candidates. The Peace & Freedom Party has endorsed Greens for three statewide offices, and the Green Party has endorsed PFP candidates for three other statewide offices.

The Green candidates are Gary Blenner for Secretary of State, Dan Kapelovitz for Attorney General, and Laura Wells for Controller.

The PFP candidates are John Parker for U.S. Senate, Meghann Adams for Treasurer, and Nathalie Hrizi for Insurance Commissioner.

Further meetings of the two parties will probably make endorsements for Governor and Lieutenant Governor.

It is extremely unlikely that any of these candidates will qualify for the November ballot, due to the top-two system.

The Green Party acted in its October 26 meeting, and PFP acted at its November 14-15 meeting. These endorsements have no effect on the appearance of the June 2022 primary ballot, but this cooperation enhances the chances that each party will poll at least 2% of the vote in the June primary, and thereby retain their ballot status (although each party now has enough registrations to retain qualified status, regardless of the vote totals). Of course, there is nothing stopping other members of those two parties from also running for the various statewide offices, but such other individuals would not have the endorsement of either party. Thanks to Kevin Akin for this news.

Who gets the unified left spot to run against Pelosi in SF?

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From November 23rd's Politico Playbook on a former independent presidential candidate.

FLIGHT OF FANCY — NYC Mayor-elect ERIC ADAMS claimed that he paid his way to a post-election political retreat in Puerto Rico on what many assumed was a commercial flight, telling reporters the trip was on “my dollar, my dime and my time.” But sources tell Playbook that he and his partner, TRACEY COLLINS, flew to San Juan on the G4 private jet of crypto-billionaire BROCK PIERCE. The three had dinner with Gov. PEDRO PIERLUISI of Puerto Rico, an island that Pierce once dreamed of turning into a “Burning Man Utopia.” Pierce, who’s been informally advising Adams on all things crypto, attended an election night party for the mayor-elect. And Adams has vowed to make New York City “the center of the cryptocurrency industry.” Literally putting his money where his mouth is, he said he’ll take his first three paychecks as mayor in Bitcoin.

The mayor-elect’s spokesperson EVAN THIES said Adams “paid for a seat on a private flight through a travel agent, and he flew commercial on his return trip,” but would not provide travel receipts from the trip.

As Adams bones up on crypto, Pierce is wading back into politics after an ill-fated run for president in 2020. He filed a “statement of organization” with the FEC earlier this month as he weighs running as an independent for the seat of retiring Sen. PATRICK LEAHY (D-Vt.). The filing allows Pierce to start raising campaign money.

Pierce — an eccentric, fedora-wearing former child actor of “Mighty Ducks” fame — was dubbed “the Hippie King of Crypto-currency” by Rolling Stone in 2018.

I feel like if anyone in the New York City government wanted to be an asshole about it, they could challenge Adams on taking his first 3 paychecks in Bitcoin in federal court and win. I think there's a law saying that the U.S. dollar is valid for all legal tender and debts and it's not to be rejected.

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Stateboiler, you were a member of the Reform Party before it broke apart, what was their deal?

Was never a member. I said if they were still a real thing when I became voting age instead of destroyed by self-serving entryists, I probably would have been a member.

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Call back to the 2016 race, but the FEC are forcing Jill Stein to pay back to the federal government more than $175k. The issue comes down to primary season matching funds of $591k received by Stein and the FEC says Stein was not entitled to a match of funds from private donors post-Green Party National Convention but Stein argues the cutoff date should have been the Peace & Freedom Party Convention because she was seeking its nomination. The FEC says the Peace & Freedom Party are not registered as a national party and therefore according to law the date of the PFP Convention does not matter and the two major party conventions were earlier than their convention date. She's appealed, but I expect the FEC ruling to hold.].