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« Reply #125 on: January 02, 2010, 06:47:56 AM »

Bgwah, anything to add in closing statements? If not, I will signal to the jury that arguments are over and they may deliberate.

Your Honor, I would like to add a closing statement. I didn't mean to signal that I no longer required one.
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« Reply #126 on: January 02, 2010, 02:33:44 PM »

Bgwah, anything to add in closing statements? If not, I will signal to the jury that arguments are over and they may deliberate.

Your Honor, I would like to add a closing statement. I didn't mean to signal that I no longer required one.

Oh well you should've said so there! Tongue If Bgwah has nothing more, he can go ahead and start final statements, and you as well.
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« Reply #127 on: January 02, 2010, 05:45:51 PM »

Your Honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury,

I will return to my opening statement. To be guilty of voter fraud, one must register an account that is not one's primary identity.

Did my client register an account other than Giovanni? Yes, nobody is disputing that.

The difference in this case to other trials for voter fraud is that my client had no access to his primary account, meaning that no primary identity existed at the time of his second registration.

You may tend to agree with the prosecution's statement that my client acted in a weird...or even unethical manner. I understand that, and I don't condone my client's behavior...that he neglected to state that he was actually Giovanni.

But the fact remains that that is not relevant. If you vote to convict my client, you are effectively saying that people in his situation, through a simple typo while entering his e-mail address, are not allowed to vote until that person's name is removed from the voter roll. My client would have been denied his right to vote. I find that unacceptable.

Yes, Dave can merge accounts together, and he did in this case, but when my client registered that second account to vote, that account was inaccessible.

This case is very different from any accusation in the past of voter fraud in Atlasia, and please do not feel that you are required to convict my client to remain impartial. This case as a very different background, and the decision here is not between being compassionate or doing your duty to convict a criminal.

Quite the contrary, I request that you think about the term "primary identity". I believe that an objective interpretation of "primary identity" is that the accused person must actually be able to use that account to vote! If that condition isn't there, for all intents and purposes, no primary identity exists any more in Atlasia.


Please do the right thing, and find Giovanni not guilty of voter fraud.

I maintain that no crime was committed.
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« Reply #128 on: January 03, 2010, 05:28:48 AM »

The facts are clear and undeniable. At 4:07 PM EST on December 15th 2009, Giovanni, under the account "Farmer-Labour," registered a second account in Atlasia. This is clearly a crime under Section 1, Clause 3 of the Consolidated Criminal Justice Act.

The defense has rested their entire case on the fact that Giovanni could not access his original account. The defense is attempting to cleverly world their statements to allow a guilty man go free, switching from the terms “primary account” and “primary identity” within a sentence.

But the defendant didn’t tell us that he could not access his main account. He didn’t create a second account named something like “Giovanni 2” explaining why he had to make a new account. Surely we would have understood his situation. He could have confirmed that he was in fact Giovanni via other methods, such as instant messenger or e-mail if there was any doubt concerning whether or not he was in fact the real Giovanni. He could have gone into the registration thread and asked what the appropriate course of action would be, and likely would have been allowed to register a second account as long as it was clear that he would be updating the registration of the Giovanni identity. I certainly would not have prosecuted him for this and I don’t think any jury would convict him for it.

Instead, he deceived us and created the Farmer-Labour identity. He not only registered a second account, but a second identity and yes that is relevant. By not telling us he was Giovanni, he acted in a way that made two of his identity's accounts registered simultaneously. Josh/Devilman88 registered a second account & identity and was found guilty. It would be unjust to find one defendant guilty and another innocent for what is a similar crime.

This trial concerns one of the most important laws in Atlasia and it is critical that it be upheld. Even the defendant himself has said he should be punished.
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« Reply #129 on: January 04, 2010, 04:47:31 PM »

Thank you both, and all the witnesses called in this trial. The jurors have been contacted and are now making their decisions. When all 6 have made up their minds, I will ask them to post their verdict publicly, and if guilty, I will commence sentencing.

Thank you all for your patience in conducting this trial over the holidays.
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« Reply #130 on: January 04, 2010, 04:48:55 PM »

Thank you both, and all the witnesses called in this trial. The jurors have been contacted and are now making their decisions. When all 6 have made up their minds, I will ask them to post their verdict publicly, and if guilty, I will commence sentencing.

Thank you all for your patience in conducting this trial over the holidays.

Sir, if I may interrupt the Court for a moment.

Can I see a list of the members of the Jury? I have been following this case with interest, and can't find the jurors. Smiley
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« Reply #131 on: January 04, 2010, 04:50:28 PM »

Thank you both, and all the witnesses called in this trial. The jurors have been contacted and are now making their decisions. When all 6 have made up their minds, I will ask them to post their verdict publicly, and if guilty, I will commence sentencing.

Thank you all for your patience in conducting this trial over the holidays.

Sir, if I may interrupt the Court for a moment.

Can I see a list of the members of the Jury? I have been following this case with interest, and can't find the jurors. Smiley

It was mentioned earlier, but then I made one change. Here you are:

Badger, Peter, Afleitch, Purple State, Officepark, Tmth
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« Reply #132 on: January 04, 2010, 04:51:26 PM »

Thank you both, and all the witnesses called in this trial. The jurors have been contacted and are now making their decisions. When all 6 have made up their minds, I will ask them to post their verdict publicly, and if guilty, I will commence sentencing.

Thank you all for your patience in conducting this trial over the holidays.

Sir, if I may interrupt the Court for a moment.

Can I see a list of the members of the Jury? I have been following this case with interest, and can't find the jurors. Smiley

It was mentioned earlier, but then I made one change. Here you are:

Badger, Peter, Afleitch, Purple State, Officepark, Tmth

Thank you. Smiley
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« Reply #133 on: January 08, 2010, 10:33:34 AM »

Could we maybe have an update on how close we are to finishing this? Smiley

Since the jury deliberations are not public, we have no idea as to what is going on.
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« Reply #134 on: January 08, 2010, 10:54:17 AM »

Could we maybe have an update on how close we are to finishing this? Smiley
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« Reply #135 on: January 08, 2010, 11:08:03 AM »

Update:

The jury is currently deliberating.
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« Reply #136 on: January 08, 2010, 03:47:16 PM »

Update:

The jury is currently deliberating.

Sorry for injecting here, but this trail is really lenghty...
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« Reply #137 on: January 08, 2010, 04:25:23 PM »

Update:

The jury is currently deliberating.

Sorry for injecting here, but this trail is really lenghty...

The defendant deserves our fullest consideration, do you not agree?
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« Reply #138 on: January 08, 2010, 04:37:38 PM »

Update:

The jury is currently deliberating.

Sorry for injecting here, but this trail is really lenghty...

The defendant deserves our fullest consideration, do you not agree?

Of course I agree. Remember that I was one of those who sided with the defendant side since very start? Tongue
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« Reply #139 on: January 08, 2010, 04:42:50 PM »

Could we maybe have an update on how close we are to finishing this? Smiley

Since the jury deliberations are not public, we have no idea as to what is going on.

Close... I think.. Tongue
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« Reply #140 on: January 11, 2010, 03:34:34 AM »

It seems all six jurors have reached their conclusions, as of this message, I have sent a PM to each juror asking them to publicly post their conclusions, and upon the decision of 4 guilty or innocent decisions from the jurors, the defendant shall be held for sentencing, or set free.

Now, jurors, please do your thing:
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« Reply #141 on: January 11, 2010, 04:09:30 AM »

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« Reply #142 on: January 11, 2010, 08:30:26 AM »

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« Reply #143 on: January 11, 2010, 10:28:26 AM »

Guilty
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« Reply #144 on: January 11, 2010, 04:06:23 PM »

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« Reply #145 on: January 12, 2010, 01:04:31 AM »

Obviously we have a guilty verdict here, but I'd kindly like it if the rest of the jurors could go ahead.
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« Reply #146 on: January 12, 2010, 01:10:02 AM »

Guilty.
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« Reply #147 on: January 12, 2010, 03:18:24 PM »

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« Reply #148 on: January 12, 2010, 03:37:56 PM »

I thank the jury for their verdict, and I will sentence the defendant shortly. Afterward, Franzl and Giovanni may have the opportunity to appeal the ruling, I suppose. Wink
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« Reply #149 on: January 12, 2010, 04:33:35 PM »

Afterward, Franzl and Giovanni may have the opportunity to appeal the ruling, I suppose. Wink

Thank you, your Honor, we certainly intend to.
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