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Landslide Lyndon
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« Reply #125 on: June 17, 2016, 01:16:33 AM »

Seeing the socialist codger from Vermont slipping into irrelevancy is simply delicious.
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« Reply #126 on: June 17, 2016, 01:21:55 AM »

Seeing the socialist codger from Vermont slipping into irrelevancy is simply delicious.

Purple heart you too, Lyndon.

All things considered I suspect you're going to be pretty sad in 2018 when the first round of progressive primary challenges start happening.
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« Reply #127 on: June 17, 2016, 01:23:00 AM »

Seeing the socialist codger from Vermont slipping into irrelevancy is simply delicious.

Purple heart you too, Lyndon.

All things considered I suspect you're going to be pretty sad in 2018 when the first round of progressive primary challenges start happening.

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« Reply #128 on: June 17, 2016, 01:24:14 AM »

Seeing the socialist codger from Vermont slipping into irrelevancy is simply delicious.

Purple heart you too, Lyndon.

All things considered I suspect you're going to be pretty sad in 2018 when the first round of progressive primary challenges start happening.

Tea Party of the Left!

It's gonna be great
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Landslide Lyndon
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« Reply #129 on: June 17, 2016, 01:24:32 AM »

All things considered I suspect you're going to be pretty sad in 2018 when the first round of progressive primary challenges start happening.

If they are as successful as those of his endorsed candidates in Nevada...
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« Reply #130 on: June 17, 2016, 01:29:09 AM »

All things considered I suspect you're going to be pretty sad in 2018 when the first round of progressive primary challenges start happening.

If they are as successful as those of his endorsed candidates in Nevada...

A) Nevada is a very strange state. Not surprised the Reid and Culinary endorsed candidate beat Flores in a Dem Primary.

B) Can tell you that Sanders political outreach... left something to be desired. Not surprised to see his candidates going down, but...

C) The can of ideological worms he's opened should be of far more concern to you.
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« Reply #131 on: June 17, 2016, 01:47:39 AM »

Also LOL at Bernie calling for a 50-state strategy when a few months ago he said that Southern primaries don't count.
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« Reply #132 on: June 17, 2016, 01:50:26 AM »

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I think people are more annoyed he has yet to formally concede or acknowledge that she is the nominee. Obviously an immediate enthusiastic endorsement would not be particularly smart or expected, but the time has long passed for him to admit it's over and that Hillary has won.

That destroys his leverage. He's very clearly discussed that fact with Clinton. I don't particularly see why it's important he say it to you Tongue

Or rather: I get some sense that the Hillary fans on this board seem to think it's the 'classy' thing to do if he were a 'good person'.

Except view it from our perspective: we believe that fundamental change is necessary in this country, and Clinton/the DNC will only make some of that change if pushed. So the moral action from OUR perspective is to push as hard as you can.

I wouldn't say so. His endorsement, getting out on the stump, and vigorously trying to push his supporters to support Hillary is the leverage. Conceding and acknowledging the winner is just common courtesy.
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« Reply #133 on: June 17, 2016, 01:53:02 AM »

Hard to imagine "tea party of the left" voters even turning out in 2018 if they couldn't even be bothered to vote in the Nebraska and Washington beauty contests.
Unless dank memes are involved, they'll stay home. Then say the system is rigged because what they wanted didn't happen.
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« Reply #134 on: June 17, 2016, 01:59:08 AM »

Hard to imagine "tea party of the left" voters even turning out in 2018 if they couldn't even be bothered to vote in the Nebraska and Washington beauty contests.
Unless dank memes are involved, they'll stay home. Then say the system is rigged because what they wanted didn't happen.

Aight.

And yet they caucused?

Frankly, I think voting in a beauty contest is pretty silly anyway, and I'm someone that thinks of voting as a duty and hits every GE and downballot Primary.

I don't really think that the people that create the stereotype of r/s4p folks are actually useful, I'll agree. But that's a very loud 10-30k people, and Bernie got a helluva lot more votes than that.

Also LOL at Bernie calling for a 50-state strategy when a few months ago he said that Southern primaries don't count.

Yeah. But he has been calling for a 50 state strategy since at least June, when I first saw him speak. I suspect that the "South doesn't count" is a Jeff Weaver thing that got stuck in his head.
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« Reply #135 on: June 17, 2016, 03:43:19 AM »

Seeing the socialist codger from Vermont slipping into irrelevancy is simply delicious.

Purple heart you too, Lyndon.

All things considered I suspect you're going to be pretty sad in 2018 when the first round of progressive primary challenges start happening.

Tea Party of the Left!

It's gonna be great

I wasn't aware that the Green Party was going to field so many True Progressive candidates! Sign me up, sign me up!
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« Reply #136 on: June 17, 2016, 05:12:44 AM »

I really hope Sanders' plan isn't to primary all the respected senior Democratic congress members and replace them with leftwing radicals that will lose their seats to the GOP. One would have thought the Tea Party track record would have cautioned against that.
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« Reply #137 on: June 17, 2016, 07:37:22 AM »

Also LOL at Bernie calling for a 50-state strategy when a few months ago he said that Southern primaries don't count.

If you look at what he said, I believe his point was not that they don't count, but that they weren't indicative of what was to come, since they were largely over.
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« Reply #138 on: June 17, 2016, 07:43:08 AM »

Also LOL at Bernie calling for a 50-state strategy when a few months ago he said that Southern primaries don't count.

If you look at what he said, I believe his point was not that they don't count, but that they weren't indicative of what was to come, since they were largely over.

Don't let facts get in the way of Lyndon here.
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« Reply #139 on: June 17, 2016, 07:45:13 AM »

Also LOL at Bernie calling for a 50-state strategy when a few months ago he said that Southern primaries don't count.

If you look at what he said, I believe his point was not that they don't count, but that they weren't indicative of what was to come, since they were largely over.

Don't let facts get in the way of Lyndon here.

Why are you always trying to pick a fight with other users?

A valid criticism. I am trying to get better at this.
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« Reply #140 on: June 17, 2016, 01:02:01 PM »

I've been busy and have only just read the transcript of Sanders speech.  He seems willing to continue his campaign.  Nice.  At least I couldn't find any line that suggest that he's quitting any time soon.  See here, for example.  Feel the Bern.

With a little luck we might just have two contested conventions later this summer.  Awesome!!!  Kiss
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« Reply #141 on: June 17, 2016, 01:04:29 PM »

With a little luck we might just have two contested conventions later this summer.  Awesome!!!  Kiss

The Democratic convention will be as contested as the ones in 1988 and 1992.
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« Reply #142 on: June 17, 2016, 01:07:53 PM »

Probably.  Same goes for the GOP.  One can wish, though. 

I, for one, am very excited that (a) Sanders did not concede defeat last evening and his supporters do not generally seem to be Ready For Hillary and (b) Trump doesn't like the Republican establishment and the Republican establishment doesn't like him.

It's an exciting time to be a political junkie.  Smiley
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« Reply #143 on: June 17, 2016, 01:24:07 PM »

People here are seriously way too salty over Sanders right now. It's like people here took one soundbite from this address and ran away with it calling Sanders a traitor.

This video address was about encouraging his followers to run for local office and start his "political revolution" from the ground up, rather than refusing to drop out and persist on. He's already stated multiple times he wants to work with Sec. Clinton on developing a new, more progressive party platform, and he's committed to stopping Donald Trump by any means necessary, even if that means endorsing Hillary.

Are Hillary supporters just mad she doesn't get all the media attention leading up to the convention or are they seriously bitter about some political change? Stop being sore winners.
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« Reply #144 on: June 17, 2016, 01:26:28 PM »

I've been busy and have only just read the transcript of Sanders speech.  He seems willing to continue his campaign.  Nice.  At least I couldn't find any line that suggest that he's quitting any time soon.  See here, for example.  Feel the Bern.

With a little luck we might just have two contested conventions later this summer.  Awesome!!!  Kiss

Is it really a campaign when the election is already over and you have ZERO percent chance of winning? Or is it just a rouse and a con?
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« Reply #145 on: June 17, 2016, 01:36:37 PM »

I think so.  Think of the great campaigns of war.  Even when they know that victory is not possible, some men still fight so long as their commanders have not yet ordered them to lay down arms.  The parties will choose their nominees at the national conventions.  Some already have.  The socialists, for example, have nominated Mimi Soltysek.  Once the DNC nominates, even if it happens after a particularly nasty floor fight, then the campaigns of all those not nominated should cease.

etr906 mentions that some are calling Sanders a traitor.  That's also an interesting point.  To my way of thinking, he's only a traitor if he runs a third-party or independent campaign in the general election.  I'd regard that as unethical.  He has come out as a democrat and has a right to try to be their nominee.  I say that not only because I voted for him in the primary but because I think it's true.  I feel the same way about any Republican that wants to challenge Trump at the GOP convention.  But once the dust settles, all those running for a party's nomination need to accept the result of the nominating convention.  They must not feel obligated to endorse, or even vote for, their party's nominee, but they really should not actively campaign against their party's nominee.  At least that's my feeling, so if Sanders goes on a write-in campaign after the DNC is over, then I think it would be accurate for all of us to respectfully label him a traitor. 

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