Debates, proposals, complaints, (dis)agreement with moderator's decisions

[big bad fab]

Thanks, but I do have a question.

Should Eisenhower, Kenndey, Ford, Reagan and Clinton be counted as wartime?

Also, when do I start?

You start when you want.

For the list, it's up to you.
When is there a war in the US ? When there is a declaration of war ? When there is a UN mandate ? When there are military operations somewhere ? It's a great and real law problem !
It's as you define it.
Of course, you can make it as large as possible, but maybe not too much, because it would look like a usual US presidents survivor.
Maybe you can make the list, but with a recall (in brackets, beside each president's name) of all the operations and real wars in which the US where involved during each president's term, so that forumers vote regarding the "war" at stake and not just with the name of each president.

[big bad fab]

It seems as if I have some time to lose... My Godness, I must stop this...

Anyway, guess what ? With only 7 voters, we make 55.5% of this board !
Shame on you !

BBF: 15.3%
Hans: 9.3%
Edu: 7.3%
Hashemite: 6.9%
Kalwejt: 6.4%
Nhoj: 5.7%
Gully: 4.6%

With officepark (2%), Hughento (1.5%), xyz (1.3%), we are above 60% !

And I don't know the numbers for Xahar, Al and Lewis because they post too much everywhere.
I haven't looked the nhumbers of Sewer and Rochambeau, tbh. Libertas is at 1.1%.
Maybe Tmth, NiK, GMantis and Disraeli may have some points, too.

Beware, many old survivors of 2009 aren't (yet) in this board, notably Hughento's World Leaders Survivor. It might be "worse", actually, with these threads .

All of this has evolved a bit:

we've got the Old Guard, those crazy and frenzied voters, who are in the forum mainly to vote, vote and vote again:
BBF: 13.81 %
Edu: 8.31 %
Hans: 8.28 %
Nhoj: 5.36 %
Jarl: 0.58%

And the Young Guard, those more recent voters who are growing fast and who are also here mainly to vote, vote and vote again:
Mr. X (xyz, jdb): 4.26 % (we really hope he hasn't disappeared forever, as he was about to be included in the Old Guard)
Vazdul: 2.60 % (and rising fast)
Magic 8-Ball: 2.20 % (and rising very fast)
tb75: 1.51 %
homelycooking: 0.68 % (but a very, very promising recruit !!)

We've got the Hall of Wise Ancients, those who vote a lot, but who know life is also elesewhere inside the forum:
Hashemite: 5.63 %
Kalwejt: 5.11 % (we're a bit sad as he is a bit far away, now)
Antonio V: 2.95 %
PiT: 2.87 % (but he no longer takes part in our lunacies)
Hughento (platypus): 2.44 %
officepark (True Conservative): 2.22 %

We've got a Hord of Outsiders, with no coherence among them (at all ! ), but able to vote a lot, sometimes:
Gully Foyle: 1.87 %
Libertas: 1.85 %
Sewer Socialist (SpaceCommunistMutant): 1.77 %
GMantis: 1.10 %
Bunwah (Benoît): 0.43 %
Lewis, Al, Xahar, afleitch, Rochambeau, Tmth, Earl, dead0man, Ernest, jbrase belong also to this category (sorry, guys, for mixing you all !), but I don't have the numbers as they post "too much" everywhere and as statistics only include the first 10 boards of each forumer.

We are above 50% with only 7 forumers: BBF, Edu, Hans, Hash, Kal, Nhoj and Mr.X.

It's a pity we don't have a complete statistics, spread by board and sub-board.
Totally useless I know, but so funny .

[big bad fab]

Libertas is in charge of his own survivor.
He's the only one who can change the rule.

[big bad fab]

Grrreat !

We've started Chess Champions survivor a while ago... But it's good to have you for the last rounds.

[big bad fab]

My next idea is a Brazilian presidential contenders survivor, including all elections post-1945 (excluding cancelled elections) and all candidates winning over 1% of the vote (or maybe all candidates winning over 1% of the vote and/or being a major party candidate; if only because I want to include Aureliano "ingrown toenail" Chaves)

Fabien; any recommendations for this? Is now a good time to start it up?

A good time, yes, as the turnout is globally good and as you have huge fans of survivors (almost any of them...): homelycooking, Vazdul, Nhoj, Mr. X, Hans, Edu, you, me..., even if Magic has disappeared.
Kal may be convinced to really come back in survivors, even if his new fictional duties may again prevent him from doing it .

The problem is more that the list may be long and mostly unknown.
But I think many of us will read and will be glad to learn on Brazilian politics. And your threshold is here to keep the list reasonable.
And even with a non-reasonable list (let's say... French cities ? ), our old pals are ready to be patient and vote and vote again... (thank you again, Hans, Nhoj and Edu ! )

So, I'm sure it will have a little more success than my Sweden Prime ministers survivor .

[big bad fab]

Great, great, great.
Beware about the last adventures of Asterix, as some are only reprints.
I'll tell you if it's OK.
Anyway, I intend to oust every single Asterix which isn't written by Goscinny, as Uderzo behaves only as a money-lover piece of cr*p (and is bad at writing any good story).

Popes of Rome is up to you to resume or to restart completely.

[big bad fab]

Popes of Rome is up to you to resume or to restart completely.

Recommendation: Whether you resume it or restart it, don't make it single elimination (like it was before). It'll take forever.

I agree.
Either groups or elimination 3 by 3 or something like that.

[big bad fab]

You're indeed a very fair and a very good manager.

I wouldn't be able not to vote in my own survivors, as I like them !!!
I've got a small problem though, which is when to vote. As I control the t
ime when it's closed, I've chosen to vote early (usually I'm the first to vote): so I lose the advantage you talked about.
But, of course, nothing is perfect.

As for managers who abuses their powers, as a moderator, I think I can't do anything (provided they abide by this forum's rules, of course !) but invite everybody to boycott.
And that's what I've eventually done myself.
For the moment, survivors which have been tainted by some shenanigans were about NON-original ideas, so we don't really care...

But if it's needed, I'm ready to use my Kalashnikov .

I'm happy we've got a big pack of regular and honest voters, who are more interested in the game itself than in winners. That gives us a force which is the best guarantee for cleanness in the game !

[big bad fab]

I've taken an option on Roman Emperors, guys: an awaited one, I think...
I even remember PiT refering to it in February, when he was still a regular voter. Maybe he'll come back .

(and I've taken another option on NY Governors, BTW; hopefully, it will concentrate on governorship, not on careers beside or after this prestigious post...)

But I have to end 2 other survivors before... So, let's be patient !

[big bad fab]

I've taken an option on Roman Emperors, guys: an awaited one, I think...
I even remember PiT refering to it in February, when he was still a regular voter. Maybe he'll come back .

I can't speak for PiT, but I'd find a Roman Emperors Survivor highly enticing.

You'll have to wait a bit, though.
As soon as my Asian countries survivor is over, I'll start it.

[big bad fab]

I abandon ship on the war/peace president ones.

I'd like to do a TIME Person of the Year Survivor after the 2010 one is announced, if that's ok.

OK, but don't drop it, this time... this is always disappointing as people waste their time.

[big bad fab]

Fab, now that Libertas has been banned, may i manage his unfinished survivors?
As far as i rememeber he has the party candidates, the state mottos and the New England counties survivors.

You're right on the list.

Go, go, go !

And you can resume them but also RESTART them

[big bad fab]

I don't want to bump the thread, but I'd be down for a Bond villains and/or girls survivor.

You can take both of them.

Start them from the beginning, of course.

(the previous failed attempts remain in the Off-topic board anyway and they fail very, very early, so no need to try to revive the past here !)

[big bad fab]

I agree with homelycooking.

[big bad fab]

Yes !

Plus on est de fous, plus on rit !
The more, the merrier.

[big bad fab]

I wouldn't take part in any of them, fwiw.

I almost only read history, politics or religious books (and comics...)

[big bad fab]

Am I dreaming or KS21 has deleted his survivor on Congressmen from Mississipi river states ?!?

My goodness, all this time lost !

[big bad fab]

Fine !

[big bad fab]

SPECIFIC RULES FOR SURVIVORS / MANAGEMENT OF SURVIVORS:

Of course, we are on a political forum, in an "election and history games" board, so survivors allowed here will only deal with elections, politics, history (political, military, social, economic, religious,...), geography, economics, sociological matters.
I am entitled to lock any survivor with a theme that doesn't fit that rule.
We need to keep as many active survivors as we can on the main page. So, the threads that do not abide by the rules will be deleted quickly.

Please re-read the rules: they are here from the beginning.
This sub-board is about "human sciences", if you want.
The other games of the entire board are all political or historical or related to these matters. Survivors should be also. And should I repeat that it is named "Election and History Games" ?

Dave has created it because some mods and some forumers were fed up with mushrooming survivors on US politics. So, basically, as this is the case with this forum (never forget it: off-topic and forum community were created only to avoid a mess in the other boards), we're here to talk about politics, elections, history, geography, philosophy, etc. Not about sports.
And when I say geography, I of course don't refer only about a division of lists by geographical limits.

Of course, as I've already said, an Olympic Games survivor would be allowed as it is obviously (though partly) political, historical and economical.

Asterix and Tintin have historical and political context and content, even historical and ideological debates on them.
Westerns are of course historical "works" (and even some had a political dimension at the time they were made !).

All of you know I've deleted threads on Pokémon (Libertas' idea, remember ? ).
And I've said Sandra Bullock or even Ingmar Bergman would'nt fit the rules .

I've already said rules can't be STRICTLY set and there is of course always a problem of limit. The mod is here for this.

But here it's clear.
(your link is interesting Earl, but your survivor has of course no sociological dimension, I'm sorry).

And may I have to add that this is nothing personal ?
I allow survivors in which I don't take part in, like the fine one of Earl on Canadian cities.

I've locked the thread so that Earl can save his lists because I'm respectful of others' work.
Locking isn't infracting or reporting of course.
Since the beginning one year ago, I've moderated one post, by deleting a photo which was a bit rude. That's all.

Other forumers, like homelycooking, have asked if it would be allowed before launching a survivor. When there is a doubt, that's better to do it.

Thanks for your attention and thanks for reading and re-reading the RULES topic .

[big bad fab]

If I'm not very active until Thursday, that's not because of this little debate (which can continue freely of course !), but because I'm very busy and have just had some bad news about one of my boys (nothing horrible, but a real disagreement though).

[big bad fab]

I've said it, I've visited it and it's indeed interesting.
But your survivor is a different thing.

And you're not forbidden to launch your survivor in the entire forum. So this specific moderating action, as Jas called it, is very smooth...

Just put it in the Off-Topic Board, where Gramps has recently organized 2 survivors on forumers, without any problem either and with a decent turnout (EDIT: sorry, it was in the Forum Community board; but the Pokémon survivors were in the Off-Topic board; there were even some failed Bond survivors too, some months ago).

BTW, I (really) think the turnout would be better there than here for your survivor.

Call it stubbornness but I don't see a real good reason to let this survivor here.
Otherwise, I already see some less serious forumers than you using this precedent to invade our small sub-board with survivors that don't qualify as "elections and history games".


BREAKING !
One of the great moderators of the Off-Topic Board has just confirmed (without being asked to, BTW) that this board would of course allow your survivor.

I won't move it in a "dictatorial" manner, but if you want me to do it, so that you don't even have to copy your own post, I'll do it. Just let me know.

[big bad fab]

Ugh.

Alright, you can move it.

Done.

EDIT: I've moved it without having first unlocked it, believing it would have unlocked automatically. But I've asked one mod of the Off-topic board to unlock it. It will be done quickly. And I'll delete my own post so that your thread will be clean.

But I am disappointed by your subjectivity. I'm still not satisfied with the ruling, and I will make no more survivors here out of protest.

As you wish, though I just invite you to finish the one on Canadian cities, as I know how disappointing it is for voters not to see a survivor be completed.

Rules may be disappointing for some. But, still, they are rules. And they were set the VERY day this sub-board was opened; they were as clear as possible and a thread of debate was open the VERY day this sub-board was opened.
And rules always let a space for interpretation, a task done by judges.
And a moderator acts like a judge, especially in a sub-board which is a game.

[big bad fab]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=130219.0

So that every regular user of this sub-board is well informed, here is the link to a thread entitled "Moderator abuse by Big Bad Fab" (sic).
(EDIT: and there is now something of a debate about all this... Everyone can take part in it, of course !
But I don't know if I'll argue for a long time, though )

And to be complete, Earl has reported the post in which I've explained why I've locked his thread and in which I've suggested him to re-create in the Off-topic board.
This is my first post reported . So, my triple 0 in my profile is dead .

[big bad fab]

It appears to still be locked

See my post before the last one.
I've PMed Inks so that he unlocked it. As soon as he is connected, I'm sure he'll do it.

[big bad fab]

Be patient. I'll post a set of proposals in a few hours.

But, you see, RL is busy and, unfortunately, as I've said before, a recent bad personal news requires a bit of time and of worrying from me.