Bernie now dictating to Hillary how to pick her VP

[IceSpear]

The real story here is that he's acknowledging she, not him, will be choosing a VP. Last time I checked he was still in "we can still win!" mode.

[IceSpear]

I look forward to seeing Jfern's reaction when Hillary wins California.

And HockeyDude's when she wins New Jersey. In a week both states will officially join the Confederacy.

Don't worry guys, the Confederacy's not all bad. I've been in it for about a month now. We have fried foods, big women, even bigger guns, and great hodowns. You guys will love it!

[IceSpear]

Gorsh, all of this talk about moderate independents while Sanders and Trump are raking in Indy votes. I too enjoyed August 2015, but it's about time to leave it, eh?

In any case, I think it's silly to think that concessions shouldn't be made to a candidate who has 45% of pledged delegates so far (IIRC), or that Bernie is an EVIL, SELFISH, OH SO WRONG person for demanding them. This was/is (respect, Cali) at least the second most contested Dem primary since the modern system came about, second only to when Clinton got Secretary of State as a condition of her surrender.

Establishment Dems need to realize that we're here to stay, and they need us in their tent. And that's just the way it is. Unless you want Trump to be President. Does the establishment want a President Trump on its hands?! It would be just awful if the establishment didn't do *everything * in its power to prevent President Trump. (see what I did there?)

Hillary did not get SoS as "condition of her surrender." She was initially reluctant to even accept the position, and had to be heavily convinced to do it. She arguably won the popular vote, and two entire states (one of which Hillary won in a landslide) were disenfranchised. I could only imagine the reactions of the Bernie folks if say, Washington or Oregon were disenfranchised this time. And I recall, despite her doing much better, Hillary and her supporters being treated terribly. High profile Obama surrogates called on her to drop out, which has not happened with Bernie this time. The Democratic establishment called her and her supporters dead ender racists, and said that she was entitled to nothing, coming from many of the same people who now insist Bernie should get concessions such as jfern and the "online activist left."

I do find it quite amusing though.

Hillary barely loses -> "It is Hillary's responsibility to unite the party, but she is entitled nothing"

Hillary wins easily -> "It is Hillary's responsibility to unite the party, and Bernie is entitled to lots of goodies and concessions"

I guess uniting the party is a woman's job. But yeah, sure, sexism has nothing to do with it.

I see.

Did Clinton only stay in through June in '08 because she was racist?

She was waiting to see if her opponent got assassinated in June. She specifically mentioned RFK.

Thank you for proving my point. Yes, "Hillary and her supporters are racists" was a major talking point all throughout 2008. I find it quite amusing how much whinging there is when the shoe is on the other foot.

[IceSpear]

Can you imagine how unimaginably pissed the Sandernistas would be had Hillary behaved this way towards Obama in 2008? The double standard is sickening. It's time to remove this thorn from our side known as Bernie Sanders and his unhinged bohemian supporters. We've tolerated their immature tactics and shenanigans for far too long. Of course, Bernie cares as much about party unity as I care as much as to how jfern is going to spin this post.

Whether or not the hammer comes down will depend on his actions after June 7th. But yeah, so many of the Bernie people have no sense of context. Hillary and her supporters were treated FAR worse in 2008 despite her doing much better. Bernie has been treated with kid gloves, by both Hillary's campaign and the Democratic establishment.

[IceSpear]

The real story here is that he's acknowledging she, not him, will be choosing a VP. Last time I checked he was still in "we can still win!" mode.

There's that, but he's still talking about convincing superdelegates to back his candidacy.

That'll be shut down pretty quickly if he's still saying it on June 8th. Patience.

[IceSpear]

he should run as a third party candidate. he is not a democrat, he's independent and dnc was very unfair to him.

Is that you Donald?

[IceSpear]

Can you imagine how unimaginably pissed the Sandernistas would be had Hillary behaved this way towards Obama in 2008? The double standard is sickening. It's time to remove this thorn from our side known as Bernie Sanders and his unhinged bohemian supporters. We've tolerated their immature tactics and shenanigans for far too long. Of course, Bernie cares as much about party unity as I care as much as to how jfern is going to spin this post.

Where are you getting this idea that all "Sandernistas" were Obama supporters in 2008? This is an attitude I've seen a lot from you and IceSpear, that Sanders supporters are generally people who have opposed Hillary Clinton for her entire career and base their politics on not backing Clinton.

Anyway, the VP candidate will have absolutely no effect on the outcome of the general, unless they're a disaster. Clinton should pick the person she thinks will be the best VP. I'd like it to be someone I ideologically agree with in case they become President some day, but at the same time I want those people to stay in the Senate.

Not all of them, but many were. Although even before that many were Edwards supporters, like jfern.