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Silent Hunter
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« on: July 25, 2017, 03:36:03 PM »

It seems odd that they want to pass a bill that will reduce access to healthcare for many.
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2017, 04:47:00 PM »

Because Obamacare is unsustainable from both a liberal and conservative perspective, and many believe it will inevitably lead to single payer if there isn't a more conservative solution in the next few decades.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2017, 05:24:52 PM »

Because Obama pushed for it. The GOP believes that anything Obama pushes for is bad. If Obama said that he wants clean water and lead-free paint, the GOP would say that water should be dirty and that paint should have lead in it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2017, 08:52:38 PM »

A common argument is that it's unconstitutional, and the SCOTUS made a mistake in not saying so.
Many Republicans will use the fallacy of if one of them Dems say it, then all the rest of 'em think it, reasoning, pointing out what Rep. Phil Hare (D-Illinois) said at a town hall meeting in April 2010: "I don't worry about the Constitution on this, to be honest." ... "I believe it [the Constitution] says 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.' " Someone pointed out to Hare that's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution, he replied, "Doesn't matter to me." So, to many Republicans, Democrats generally do not care about whether the federal legislation they want to pass is constitutionally permissible or not. They argue that the Constitutional power to "regulate commerce among the states" does not mean that Congress can require people to buy health insurance. And again, they think that the Supreme Court made a big boo-boo in claiming that Obamacare is constitutionally permissible because it's a "tax."
Fox News about the town hall meeting.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2017, 08:55:36 PM »

Because they're evil.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2017, 09:13:25 PM »

Because Obama pushed for it. The GOP believes that anything Obama pushes for is bad. If Obama said that he wants clean water and lead-free paint, the GOP would say that water should be dirty and that paint should have lead in it.

Exactly. They're determined to spite Obama at all costs, all at the expense of many many Americans (including conservative/Republican ones).
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2017, 02:56:09 AM »

It is also funded primarily by tax increases on the rich.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2017, 03:33:56 AM »

They are against the Heritage Foundation plan because it was passed by Democrats.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2017, 04:16:32 AM »

Because they don't believe in the government to force someone to buy health insurance. They think it's a private decision and there should not be interference by the government and that the free market is the solution to everything. Specifically when it comes to prices (the increasing premiums are a serious flaw of Obamacare). Some of their criticism, especially on premiums, are right. But the solutions they are proposing just don't work. To me it obvious that the US health-care system in its current form is a failure. You either have rising premiums or lots of uninsured people. The solution is a single-payer system, similar to Europe and Canada. We Europeans have always wondered why the United States can't have such a system, since our system is working much better.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2017, 06:26:18 AM »
« Edited: July 26, 2017, 06:30:28 AM by Silent Hunter »

We Europeans have always wondered why the United States can't have such a system, since our system is working much better.

Do you have four hour waits in A&E in Germany though?
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2017, 06:59:08 AM »

They are against the Heritage Foundation plan because it was passed by Democrats.
ObamaCare, IIRC, isn't actually very close to the Heritage Foundation's proposal.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2017, 11:51:37 AM »

Because Obamacare is unsustainable from both a liberal and conservative perspective, and many believe it will inevitably lead to single payer if there isn't a more conservative solution in the next few decades.

Well, in the next 20 years, it will either be some sort of UHC or nothing. It doesn't necessarily need to be Single Payer... but it will definitely be something that covers everyone or there won't be any insurance.
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2017, 12:00:21 PM »

You guys don't honestly think the Dems love it, do you?  They can read numbers.  They just can't think of a better plan either and would never repeal what they passed all by themselves.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2017, 01:55:26 PM »

You guys don't honestly think the Dems love it, do you?  They can read numbers.  They just can't think of a better plan either and would never repeal what they passed all by themselves.

Sure they can. It was called ADD. THE. PUBLIC. OPTION. It was the vote of one Independent whom wasn't properly taken out despite being Primaried that tanked it.

That alone would fix a YUGE chunk of the problems.
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2017, 10:25:19 PM »

Because Obama pushed for it. The GOP believes that anything Obama pushes for is bad. If Obama said that he wants clean water and lead-free paint, the GOP would say that water should be dirty and that paint should have lead in it.

Just as Democrats say about Trump.
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2017, 11:25:32 PM »

Because it has created an ineffective and inefficient system?
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2017, 09:50:01 AM »

Because Obamacare is unsustainable from both a liberal and conservative perspective, and many believe it will inevitably lead to single payer if there isn't a more conservative solution in the next few decades.

It was basically their plan before Obama proposed it anyways, then they had to be against it. But now they got paid a ton of money, it's basically funded by the rich at this point and the people that give them big bucks could reap bigger profit without it in place.
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2017, 04:15:54 PM »

Because, just like Immigration Reform on the Democratic side, its something that its very hard to do and gives the party and opposition platform to run on, in every election cycle

Although, Obama had the 60 votes to pass immigration reform in 2010.
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2017, 09:01:33 AM »

Because it has created an ineffective and inefficient system?
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2017, 11:32:05 PM »

Because the law redistributes money from the rich to the needy (especially minorities, therefore by definition, the undeserving).  And God knows, we can't have that!
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2017, 12:23:11 PM »
« Edited: September 18, 2017, 12:32:46 PM by ThatConservativeGuy »

     There are many reasons, but two aspects of Obamacare are particularly egregious. First is the remarkable violation of personal freedom that is the individual mandate. Government should not be FORCING people to purchase a (low-quality with ever-increasing premiums) healthcare plan or face a penalty. As Ted Cruz put it "If Obamacare was so great, you wouldn't need a law to make people buy it."

      Second is the employer mandate. The mandate forcing employers (with 50 or more full time employees) to provide health insurance for their workers is a death knell to many small businesses with razor thin profit margins, and has encouraged them to cut back on either working hours or number of employees in order to stay below the 50 full-time employee threshold.

The law is a disaster that hurts people it's meant to help.
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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2017, 04:36:43 PM »

Because the law redistributes money from the rich to the needy (especially minorities, therefore by definition, the undeserving).  And God knows, we can't have that!

You act like we don't have that now ... is questioning how far we should go really deserving of questioning our morals?  I'm assuming you don't support TNF's revolution, so obviously there is a ton of middle ground that we clearly both occupy between not distributing anything from the "rich" to the needy and literally taking everything from the "rich" and giving it to the needy.  Thinking that we might eventually get to the point where taking even more from wealthy Americans and redistributing might actually do more harm than good doesn't mean people *hate* the needy.
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2017, 10:52:55 PM »

Because Obamacare is unsustainable from both a liberal and conservative perspective, and many believe it will inevitably lead to single payer if there isn't a more conservative solution in the next few decades.
Let's hope for the first option
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