Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[BudgieForce]

trump talked with collins and paul and both of them think he is on their side now...


 Trump to warring GOP senators: I'm on your side
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/28/trump-health-care-paul-collins-240065

My guess is they'll fold soon. Rand Paul is a complete phony and Collins could care less.

I dont think so. For all the bullsh**t she spews, Collins wont vote for something that cuts planned parenthood or Medicaid.

[BudgieForce]

trump talked with collins and paul and both of them think he is on their side now...


 Trump to warring GOP senators: I'm on your side
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/28/trump-health-care-paul-collins-240065

My guess is they'll fold soon. Rand Paul is a complete phony and Collins could care less.

I dont think so. For all the bullsh**t she spews, Collins wont vote for something that cuts planned parenthood or Medicaid.

Maine never expanded Medicaid anyway. Collins is a fraud who voted to confirm Gorsuch despite his obviously terrible views on women. Collins could care less about PP or womens health. Dont be surprised if Murkowski folds too. None of these people have ever had to have their character put to the test during their time in Congress and the GOP has no room for dissident, everyone falls in line or they get destroyed.

The GOP is the heavens gate of political parties. They're basically a kamikaze suicide cult barging full steam ahead at destroying the government and taking everyone, including themselves, with it. The average Republican politician today is in a never ending cycle of being angry and stupid and lashing out because of it.

If Collins is running for Governor, shes not voting for it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

EnglishPete?  Naso?  Sanchez?  Thomas Jackson?  Defend this because I'd love to see how such blatant goddamn ignorance can be spun in a positive light.

I will, actually. I've mixed up Medicare and Medicaid more than once, they're just one phoneme apart from each other. There are many examples of T***p's incompetence but that's a pretty weak one.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

EnglishPete?  Naso?  Sanchez?  Thomas Jackson?  Defend this because I'd love to see how such blatant goddamn ignorance can be spun in a positive light.

I will, actually. I've mixed up Medicare and Medicaid more than once, they're just one phoneme apart from each other. There are many examples of T***p's incompetence but that's a pretty weak one.

You also weren't born in America, and you're not the President of the United States.

[Antonio the Sixth]

EnglishPete?  Naso?  Sanchez?  Thomas Jackson?  Defend this because I'd love to see how such blatant goddamn ignorance can be spun in a positive light.

I will, actually. I've mixed up Medicare and Medicaid more than once, they're just one phoneme apart from each other. There are many examples of T***p's incompetence but that's a pretty weak one.

You also weren't born in America, and you're not the President of the United States.

But I'm an Atlas poster. In terms of obsessive attention to policy detail, it's not too far from POTUS.

[Unapologetic Chinaperson]

EnglishPete?  Naso?  Sanchez?  Thomas Jackson?  Defend this because I'd love to see how such blatant goddamn ignorance can be spun in a positive light.

I will, actually. I've mixed up Medicare and Medicaid more than once, they're just one phoneme apart from each other. There are many examples of T***p's incompetence but that's a pretty weak one.

You also weren't born in America, and you're not the President of the United States.

Plus mixing up the two words is quite different from not knowing what the two things are.

What makes this even sadder is that Trump is old. Shouldn't he know a thing or two about Medicare?

[Yank2133]

trump talked with collins and paul and both of them think he is on their side now...


 Trump to warring GOP senators: I'm on your side
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/28/trump-health-care-paul-collins-240065

My guess is they'll fold soon. Rand Paul is a complete phony and Collins could care less.

I dont think so. For all the bullsh**t she spews, Collins wont vote for something that cuts planned parenthood or Medicaid.

Maine never expanded Medicaid anyway. Collins is a fraud who voted to confirm Gorsuch despite his obviously terrible views on women. Collins could care less about PP or womens health. Dont be surprised if Murkowski folds too. None of these people have ever had to have their character put to the test during their time in Congress and the GOP has no room for dissident, everyone falls in line or they get destroyed.

The GOP is the heavens gate of political parties. They're basically a kamikaze suicide cult barging full steam ahead at destroying the government and taking everyone, including themselves, with it. The average Republican politician today is in a never ending cycle of being angry and stupid and lashing out because of it.

Maine has a Medicaid ballot initiative on the ballot next year and it is likely to pass. Collins isn't voting for this.

Both her and Heller are firm no's IMO, unless McConnell drastically changes the bill. The real question mark is Murkowski. Can McConnell buy her off with some giveaways to Alaska or is that not enough? We will soon find out.

[Shadows]

[Yank2133]

trump talked with collins and paul and both of them think he is on their side now...


 Trump to warring GOP senators: I'm on your side
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/28/trump-health-care-paul-collins-240065

My guess is they'll fold soon. Rand Paul is a complete phony and Collins could care less.

I dont think so. For all the bullsh**t she spews, Collins wont vote for something that cuts planned parenthood or Medicaid.

Maine never expanded Medicaid anyway. Collins is a fraud who voted to confirm Gorsuch despite his obviously terrible views on women. Collins could care less about PP or womens health. Dont be surprised if Murkowski folds too. None of these people have ever had to have their character put to the test during their time in Congress and the GOP has no room for dissident, everyone falls in line or they get destroyed.

The GOP is the heavens gate of political parties. They're basically a kamikaze suicide cult barging full steam ahead at destroying the government and taking everyone, including themselves, with it. The average Republican politician today is in a never ending cycle of being angry and stupid and lashing out because of it.

Maine has a Medicaid ballot initiative on the ballot next year and it is likely to pass. Collins isn't voting for this.

Both her and Heller are firm no's IMO, unless McConnell drastically changes the bill. The real question mark is Murkowski. Can McConnell buy her off with some giveaways to Alaska or is that not enough? We will soon find out.

Heller is at Trump's $10 million fundraiser tonight. He'll fold soon too.

No, he won't.

He is much more fearful of the Governor (who hates the bill), then he is of Trump.

[Person Man]

trump talked with collins and paul and both of them think he is on their side now...


 Trump to warring GOP senators: I'm on your side
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/28/trump-health-care-paul-collins-240065

My guess is they'll fold soon. Rand Paul is a complete phony and Collins could care less.

I dont think so. For all the bullsh**t she spews, Collins wont vote for something that cuts planned parenthood or Medicaid.

Maine never expanded Medicaid anyway. Collins is a fraud who voted to confirm Gorsuch despite his obviously terrible views on women. Collins could care less about PP or womens health. Dont be surprised if Murkowski folds too. None of these people have ever had to have their character put to the test during their time in Congress and the GOP has no room for dissident, everyone falls in line or they get destroyed.

The GOP is the heavens gate of political parties. They're basically a kamikaze suicide cult barging full steam ahead at destroying the government and taking everyone, including themselves, with it. The average Republican politician today is in a never ending cycle of being angry and stupid and lashing out because of it.

Maine has a Medicaid ballot initiative on the ballot next year and it is likely to pass. Collins isn't voting for this.

Both her and Heller are firm no's IMO, unless McConnell drastically changes the bill. The real question mark is Murkowski. Can McConnell buy her off with some giveaways to Alaska or is that not enough? We will soon find out.

Heller is at Trump's $10 million fundraiser tonight. He'll fold soon too.

No, he won't.

He is much more fearful of the Governor (who hates the bill), then he is of Trump.

So Trump's window is either Pence or Democrats? It could look really bad for Republicans and good for Trump if they lost a half dozen senators and 30 HFC congressmen but passed something with at least a dozen Democrats in the senate alone.

[Person Man]

You guys are far too rosy and idealistic. The GOP is going to pass this one way or another. Someone will sit out the vote purely for re-election reasons. Far right wingers are going to get bullied into supporting it since GOP congress peoples melt at strong arm tactics. When Trump starts threatening them and handing out their phone numbers on Twitter, they will all fold like they always do. GOP just cant resist a charming strongman and the opportunity to destroy government programs.

They will probably just use Pence to pass it. That's pretty much what happened in the house. 217-215 or something? I can see AHCA going 217-216 and 51-50.

[Mr. Morden]

You guys are far too rosy and idealistic. The GOP is going to pass this one way or another. Someone will sit out the vote purely for re-election reasons. Far right wingers are going to get bullied into supporting it since GOP congress peoples melt at strong arm tactics. When Trump starts threatening them and handing out their phone numbers on Twitter, they will all fold like they always do. GOP just cant resist a charming strongman and the opportunity to destroy government programs.

Just two days ago, you weren't sounding so sure:

According to Bill Kristol, McConnell isnt even pushing the bill or contacting GOP Senators who said they'll vote no...maybe hes just wants the whole thing done and gone.

[Yank2133]

trump talked with collins and paul and both of them think he is on their side now...


 Trump to warring GOP senators: I'm on your side
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/28/trump-health-care-paul-collins-240065

My guess is they'll fold soon. Rand Paul is a complete phony and Collins could care less.

I dont think so. For all the bullsh**t she spews, Collins wont vote for something that cuts planned parenthood or Medicaid.

Maine never expanded Medicaid anyway. Collins is a fraud who voted to confirm Gorsuch despite his obviously terrible views on women. Collins could care less about PP or womens health. Dont be surprised if Murkowski folds too. None of these people have ever had to have their character put to the test during their time in Congress and the GOP has no room for dissident, everyone falls in line or they get destroyed.

The GOP is the heavens gate of political parties. They're basically a kamikaze suicide cult barging full steam ahead at destroying the government and taking everyone, including themselves, with it. The average Republican politician today is in a never ending cycle of being angry and stupid and lashing out because of it.

Maine has a Medicaid ballot initiative on the ballot next year and it is likely to pass. Collins isn't voting for this.

Both her and Heller are firm no's IMO, unless McConnell drastically changes the bill. The real question mark is Murkowski. Can McConnell buy her off with some giveaways to Alaska or is that not enough? We will soon find out.

Heller is at Trump's $10 million fundraiser tonight. He'll fold soon too.

No, he won't.

He is much more fearful of the Governor (who hates the bill), then he is of Trump.

So Trump's window is either Pence or Democrats? It could look really bad for Republicans and good for Trump if they lost a half dozen senators and 30 HFC congressmen but passed something with at least a dozen Democrats in the senate alone.

They should have cut a deal with Democrats from the start.

[Mr. Morden]

This is the GOP were talking about. There are no principles or courage in this party. It's all about sociopathic ambition combined with reckless ignorance on policy proposals. These people have no problem lying shamelessly about the effects of the bill and since their voters live in a bubble, they wont even know it will effect them and if it does, they'll just blame Obama or illegals.

All of that was true two days ago too, and yet you posted that it looked like McConnell might be giving up.  So clearly, you think that under some circumstances, they might not be able to pull it off.

I am not convinced that this Congress can manage to pass major legislation like this.  Maybe they will, and maybe they won't.  But what of any great consequence have they actually passed so far?  Confirmations of Cabinet nominees?

[Mr. Morden]

https://twitter.com/TeddyDavisCNN/status/880746714768056320

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[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/TeddyDavisCNN/status/880746714768056320

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That's fing irresponsible on ungodly levels

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/TeddyDavisCNN/status/880746714768056320

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That's fing irresponsible on ungodly levels

Can they even just pass that through as a budget cut or will they need to abide or nuke the legislative fillibuster?

And if they do just repeal it, wouldn't that just damage industry confidence so badly that many insurers might just stop offering non-group plans?

[Yank2133]

Sasse is an idiot. 

If they repeal without a replacement then they will lose the senate as well as the house.

[BudgieForce]

https://twitter.com/TeddyDavisCNN/status/880746714768056320

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That's fing irresponsible on ungodly levels

Can they even just pass that through as a budget cut or will they need to abide or nuke the legislative fillibuster?

And if they do just repeal it, wouldn't that just damage industry confidence so badly that many insurers might just stop offering non-group plans?

They cant, they would need to get rid of the filibuster, something McConnell wont do. 

[The Other Castro]

https://twitter.com/TeddyDavisCNN/status/880746714768056320

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That's fing irresponsible on ungodly levels

Can they even just pass that through as a budget cut or will they need to abide or nuke the legislative fillibuster?

And if they do just repeal it, wouldn't that just damage industry confidence so badly that many insurers might just stop offering non-group plans?

They cant, they would need to get rid of the filibuster, something McConnell wont do. 

It wouldn't even get 40 votes anyway.

[Mr. Morden]

"Repeal and delay" is back, with Rand Paul jumping on board:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/the-return-of-repeal-and-delay-as-gop-health-care-strategy.html

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But this approach got axed, in part because of opposition from Rand Paul, and then Trump himself.  However, now....

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[Mr. Morden]

https://twitter.com/TeddyDavisCNN/status/880746714768056320

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That's fing irresponsible on ungodly levels

Can they even just pass that through as a budget cut or will they need to abide or nuke the legislative fillibuster?

And if they do just repeal it, wouldn't that just damage industry confidence so badly that many insurers might just stop offering non-group plans?

They cant, they would need to get rid of the filibuster, something McConnell wont do. 

I guess what's being floated now is to repeal all of the budget-only aspects of Obamacare that can be included in a reconciliation bill.  The regulatory side of Obamacare, which couldn't be handled in a reconciliation bill, would be left untouched.  This is the "repeal and delay" strategy that was talked about months ago but ultimately rejected (and that some are now circling back to).

[Mr. Morden]

Here's Paul's new "repeal and delay" tweet:

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/880752077613518849

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[Yank2133]

https://www.axios.com/senate-gop-repeal-then-replace-isnt-happening-2450862467.html

They are just throwing **** at the wall at this point.

[The Dowager Mod]

Yes, Immediately taking health insurance from over 30 million people is a wonderful idea!