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« on: October 15, 2011, 11:41:56 AM »
« edited: October 15, 2011, 11:44:13 AM by Jacobtm »

A UK court recently issued an arrest warrent for Tzipi Livni, accused of violating the Geneva Conventions. She is no longer a part of the Israeli government, but Britain quickly made a dubious move to assure that she would avoid prosecution:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8415161.stm

Amnesty International recently called on Canada to arrest George Bush for authorizing torture. Canada of course will not arrest Bush:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/canada-urged-arrest-and-prosecute-george-w-bush-2011-10-12

Who are the last western leaders to be prosecuted for torture/human rights violations?
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2011, 02:47:36 PM »

Who are the last western leaders to be prosecuted for torture/human rights violations?

Those members of the Greek junta in 1975?
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2011, 04:14:49 PM »

Pinochet died under house arrest. A very mild punishment considering what he did, but still, it's at least something. Do you consider Pinochet a Western leader?
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2011, 04:16:45 PM »
« Edited: October 16, 2011, 04:18:48 PM by Leftbehind »

He was best mates with certain Western leaders, so is worth mentioning in a thread for presumably highlighting Western hypocrisy.
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 09:29:26 PM »

Pinochet died under house arrest. A very mild punishment considering what he did, but still, it's at least something. Do you consider Pinochet a Western leader?

If your country's language and religion come from Europe, I'd say yes.

Guess all I'm looking at is where the line is drawn between who can be thrown under the bus and who not. Pinochet got damn close, the bastard.
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 10:56:46 PM »

Milosevic
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 11:49:36 PM »

Jorge Videlia was convicted not too long ago. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 02:26:20 PM »
« Edited: October 17, 2011, 02:33:38 PM by Stranger in a strange land »

Also, not sure if he counts, but P.W. Botha was tried and convicted for refusing to appear before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission to answer for his role in the bombing of the South African Council of Churches. However, he successfully appealed his conviction.

Also, obviously Nicolae Ceausescu. However, from what I've been able to gather, none of the other Communist East European leaders faced any punishment after the collapse of Communism, aside from Zhivkov, who was placed under house arrest for embezzling funds.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 02:53:27 PM »


I considered them, but I went for someone more unambigiously Western.

If we're covering Eastern Europe, Erich Honecker was prosecuted over the deaths of 192 East Germans killed trying to cross the Iron Curtain, but wasn't convicted due to ill health and died in 1994.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2011, 07:06:17 PM »


that was more of a lynch mob, I don't think that should count.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2011, 09:04:01 PM »

However, from what I've been able to gather, none of the other Communist East European leaders faced any punishment after the collapse of Communism, aside from Zhivkov, who was placed under house arrest for embezzling funds.

Egon Krenz went to prison for a while. Of course he was only in charge for about thirty seconds.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2011, 09:06:35 PM »

However, from what I've been able to gather, none of the other Communist East European leaders faced any punishment after the collapse of Communism, aside from Zhivkov, who was placed under house arrest for embezzling funds.

Egon Krenz went to prison for a while. Of course he was only in charge for about thirty seconds.

Wasn't he one of the Ghostbusters?
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2011, 09:10:07 PM »

However, from what I've been able to gather, none of the other Communist East European leaders faced any punishment after the collapse of Communism, aside from Zhivkov, who was placed under house arrest for embezzling funds.

Egon Krenz went to prison for a while. Of course he was only in charge for about thirty seconds.

Wasn't he one of the Ghostbusters?

Yeah, but he moonlight as head of the DDR for a brief period in 1989.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2011, 09:13:41 PM »

However, from what I've been able to gather, none of the other Communist East European leaders faced any punishment after the collapse of Communism, aside from Zhivkov, who was placed under house arrest for embezzling funds.

Egon Krenz went to prison for a while. Of course he was only in charge for about thirty seconds.

Wasn't he one of the Ghostbusters?

Yeah, but he moonlight as head of the DDR for a brief period in 1989.

Well no wonder they never made a third movie, if that's the direction they were taking.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2011, 09:44:58 PM »

The definition of "Western" as we use it today and why it's created would exclude any Eastern Bloc leaders. And Milosevic.

Argentina did prosecute former junta officials.

Would Manuel Noriega qualify?
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2011, 04:24:16 AM »

I'm tempted to throw Eichmann into the mix here.
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2011, 06:56:27 AM »

I'm tempted to throw Eichmann into the mix here.

Does he even count as a leader?
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2011, 11:24:16 AM »

I'm tempted to throw Eichmann into the mix here.

Does he even count as a leader?

even if he does, we've pretty conclusively established in this thread that Botha, Videla, Pinochet, and the members of the Greek Junta have all been prosecuted much more recently.
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2011, 12:40:41 PM »

I'm tempted to throw Eichmann into the mix here.

If we add Eichmann, we can add every defendant at the Major War Criminals trial at Nuremberg - Doenitz was leader of the Reich at the end of the war.

(He also got only ten years after Chester Nimitz pointed out that unrestricted submarine warfare had also been used by the Allies)
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