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Question: If Rove is the WH source in the Plame case, should he go to jail?
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J. J.
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« on: July 13, 2005, 04:40:40 PM »

So you support people who commit grand treason?

Do you mean "high treason?"

Ah has been pointed out to JFRAUD in the past, there isn't a crime of "grand treason," (except prehaps rattling around in his own brain) nor in the US one of "High Treason."  It's a British offense. There is one of "treason," but it doesn't apply in this case.

As to a less treasonous violation of statute, there are a whole bunch of qualifications.  She has to be undercover, the CIA must "actively" trying to protect that cover, she must have been out of the country (working) at some point over the last five years.  We don't really have a good idea if Ms. Palme is covered by the statute.

Assuming that she is covered, the release must be with the intent of damaging her ability to serve undercover and the releaser much be aware that she is undercover.  From what has surfaced, Rove's comments indicated that Wilson was not sent by Cheney or Tennent, which actually cleared up some misinformation in the press.  The evidence, so far, is that the intent wasn't there.  Wilson's trip was known and was reported in the press, so he wasn't revealing a secret there.

It's a weak to non-existent case, so far.
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J. J.
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2005, 07:00:02 PM »

Technically, Rove says she is "apparently" with the CIA.  He found that out, according to his attorney, from a reporter asking him for comment. 

I would like someone to ask Mr. Rove who his source was.

His attorney is obviosuly going to try & put the best face on this whole situation, we will see what happens, but the bottom line is he did release information regarding an undercover CIA agent & that goes against what the administration was syaing prior to this revelation

No, from what can be determined, so far, he thought that Palme might have been with the agency.  He didn't know her status or tell any the Time reporter that she was with the agency.

I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.
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J. J.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 07:20:28 PM »

I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?
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This is important.

Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

Fact: You never admit defeat

Fact:  We don't take your word for it, or pretty much on anything. 

There was the release, so if Miller is protecting Rove, it's out of priniciple.

There is a problem with Cooper as well; the email was sent on the same day as the Novak colume appeared.

There are some problems with the prosecution. 

1.  Was Plame actually covered by the act?  If she wasn't covert agent outside of the US, anybody could have given the information.

2.  If so, was the information out prior to the e-mail?

3.  If she was a covert agent, did Rove know that she was?

4.  Was there intent on Rove's part to blow Plame's cover?

The only point that is clear is that Cooper's notes indicate that the purpose of Rove's comments were to indicate that neither Tennet nor Cheney sent Wilson to Niger.  It was basically, don't run with the story that Cheney/Tennet sent Wilson; it's not accurate.

Keep something else in mind; nobody "outed" Wilso until Wilson went public.

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