Libya: Benghazi unrest, to Civil War, to a new government and Gaddafi's death.

[2952-0-0]

The Libyan state propaganda outlet has had about as much reliability as Baghdad Bob. Why even pay attention to them?

It isn't unusual for state propaganda to make incredibly big lies in their dying days. Even Hitler believed his own lies about his troop numbers as the Russians closed in.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Look at the 8:20 AM entry. It seems that government forces launched another counter-offensive, albeit without success. Ra's Lanuf has seen heavy renewed fighting.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Please finally kick out this bloody asshole.

[Beet]

France: Arab League/Amr Moussa back no-fly zone.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jrLGOL6UZpNNaNghtx7z8vr7U2uQ?docId=CNG.93280b7ec50a265e547c3fbb555a7bba.681

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The Libyan state propaganda outlet has had about as much reliability as Baghdad Bob. Why even pay attention to them?

It isn't unusual for state propaganda to make incredibly big lies in their dying days. Even Hitler believed his own lies about his troop numbers as the Russians closed in.

So the rather infamous Downfall clip is probably accurate?

[Tender Branson]

If some countries attack Libya, Austria will not be among them:

A new Gallup poll shows 70% of Austrians are against a military intervention by our army.

http://www.oe24.at/welt/libyen/Oesterreich-kauft-Oel-von-Gaddafi/19530504

[tpfkaw]

No doubt Khaddaffhi's greatest fear...

[Middle-aged Europe]

If some countries attack Libya, Austria will not be among them:

A new Gallup poll shows 70% of Austrians are against a military intervention by our army.

http://www.oe24.at/welt/libyen/Oesterreich-kauft-Oel-von-Gaddafi/19530504

I wasn't even aware that it was an issue... I mean as a NATO non-member and all.

[Mr. Morden]

About a week ago, "Gaddafi to no longer be leader of Libya by Dec. 31st, 2011" was trading at about 90 on Intrade, and it's now down to 76.0......just below "Saleh to no longer be president of Yemen by Dec. 31st, 2011", which is at 77.0.

[Zarn]

If some countries attack Libya, Austria will not be among them:

A new Gallup poll shows 70% of Austrians are against a military intervention by our army.

http://www.oe24.at/welt/libyen/Oesterreich-kauft-Oel-von-Gaddafi/19530504

I would find it humorous, if Austria was the sole country to intervene.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Apparently Gaddafi offered rebels to negociate his leaving power, but the rebels turned him down.

If someone like Gaddafi tries to negociate, it means he is really in deep sh*t.

[Zarn]

Apparently Gaddafi offered rebels to negociate his leaving power, but the rebels turned him down.

If someone like Gaddafi tries to negociate, it means he is really in deep sh*t.

It's why I think it is only a rumor.

[Tender Branson]

If some countries attack Libya, Austria will not be among them:

A new Gallup poll shows 70% of Austrians are against a military intervention by our army.

http://www.oe24.at/welt/libyen/Oesterreich-kauft-Oel-von-Gaddafi/19530504

I wasn't even aware that it was an issue... I mean as a NATO non-member and all.

But we are members of the EU Battlegroup 107, which could be sent to Lybia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlegroup_107

Looks very unlikely though because no politician would authorize the deployment of Austrian soldiers to Lybia.

[Beet]

If some countries attack Libya, Austria will not be among them:

A new Gallup poll shows 70% of Austrians are against a military intervention by our army.

http://www.oe24.at/welt/libyen/Oesterreich-kauft-Oel-von-Gaddafi/19530504

I would find it humorous, if Austria was the sole country to intervene.

Austria hasn't been the sole country to intervene anywhere since 1914.

There does appear to be a lack of Arab support for Western intervention of any kind. We have to admit that if this was Darfur or Congo, no one would be talking about a no fly zone, it would not even be in the news. The West needs to tread carefully here.

[Silent Hunter]

If some countries attack Libya, Austria will not be among them:

A new Gallup poll shows 70% of Austrians are against a military intervention by our army.

http://www.oe24.at/welt/libyen/Oesterreich-kauft-Oel-von-Gaddafi/19530504

I would find it humorous, if Austria was the sole country to intervene.

Austria hasn't been the sole country to intervene anywhere since 1914.

There does appear to be a lack of Arab support for Western intervention of any kind. We have to admit that if this was Darfur or Congo, no one would be talking about a no fly zone, it would not even be in the news. The West needs to tread carefully here.

Aren't the Arab League in favour?

[Beet]

That was the most significant expression of support but it's not certain whether they mean the West enforcing or they enforcing themselves with the African Union. It's also not clear how much support there is "on the street" for Western intervention. Of course Arab governments and Arab peoples are not always in agreement

[Antonio the Sixth]

Apparently Gaddafi offered rebels to negociate his leaving power, but the rebels turned him down.

If someone like Gaddafi tries to negociate, it means he is really in deep sh*t.

It's why I think it is only a rumor.

That's still worth noting.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

At this point, I think the only kind of outside support the opposition is likely to get is logistical, i.e., we supply them with ammo and better weapons.  Can you say, Stinger?

[Zarn]

Apparently Gaddafi offered rebels to negociate his leaving power, but the rebels turned him down.

If someone like Gaddafi tries to negociate, it means he is really in deep sh*t.

It's why I think it is only a rumor.

That's still worth noting.

Didn't say you shouldn't post it.

[RBH]

I found some footage of the negotiations between Gaddafi and the opposition



But seriously, this kinda sounds like someone is taking a Heinrich Himmler approach behind Gaddafi's back.

And I hear that the news from Sunday about massive victories came out to make Gaddafi happy because he was mentally on edge

[Middle-aged Europe]

ECD Iserlohn (nowadays Iserlohn Roosters) ice hockey jersey, advertising Muammar Gaddafi's "Green Book" (worn in a single game against Rosenheim on December 4, 1987).

[Silent Hunter]

At this point, I think the only kind of outside support the opposition is likely to get is logistical, i.e., we supply them with ammo and better weapons.  Can you say, Stinger?

Yes, definitely... the rebels are currently equipped with Strela-2/SA-7s, which aren't brilliant MANPADS systems even against 1970s vintage Su-22 "Fitters". I'm also pretty sure that I saw some T-55s there...

Did you know that Russia had about $4bn of arms deals they were about to make to Libya?

[Mr. Morden]

France recognizes Libya's rebel leadership in Benghazi as the official government of Libya, and will soon exchange ambassadors with them:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/11/world/europe/11france.html

[Middle-aged Europe]

France recognizes Libya's rebel leadership in Benghazi as the official government of Libya, and will soon exchange ambassadors with them:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/11/world/europe/11france.html

Portugal too, I heard.

[RodPresident]

I'm shocked with Mr. Sarkozy's hypocrisy. Now, he wants air attacks against some Gaddafi's targets. He wants to apologize after trying to prop up Ben Ali and his ministers visiting Egypt and Tunisia as friends of dictators. Another reason is that he wants to offer the Rafale-a failure fighter-to this new government in Benghazi.