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« on: November 17, 2010, 08:55:43 AM »

I won't fault you for trying. It's always been my dream to be Majority Leader of the Senate. Tongue

Why? You really want to end up like these characters have?

Bob Dole - Connection to Senate dragged down his campaign for President
Trent Lott - axed amidst scandal
Bill Frist- Lost Senate, and had Presidential aspirations destroyed for a variety of reasons
Harry Reid - goes without saying.

Tom Daschle ended poorly as well Tongue Wink

Oh yea, I forgot he ran the Senate for like 16 months or something like that, thanks to that SOB exemplary moderate hero from Vermont. Wink

Corrected. Wink
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 08:33:29 AM »

I won't fault you for trying. It's always been my dream to be Majority Leader of the Senate. Tongue

Why? You really want to end up like these characters have?

Bob Dole - Connection to Senate dragged down his campaign for President
Trent Lott - axed amidst scandal
Bill Frist- Lost Senate, and had Presidential aspirations destroyed for a variety of reasons
Harry Reid - goes without saying.

Tom Daschle ended poorly as well Tongue Wink

Oh yea, I forgot he ran the Senate for like 16 months or something like that, thanks to that SOB exemplary moderate hero Power hungry POS from Vermont. Wink

Corrected. Wink

Re-corrected. Tongue

Yes, Jeffords was so "power hungry" that he retired less than 4 years after the switch when he could've won re-election in a heartbeat. By "power hungry" I think you mean "unalterably fed up with southern far right theocrat control of the GOP", my friend. Wink
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2010, 09:18:21 AM »

I won't fault you for trying. It's always been my dream to be Majority Leader of the Senate. Tongue

Why? You really want to end up like these characters have?

Bob Dole - Connection to Senate dragged down his campaign for President
Trent Lott - axed amidst scandal
Bill Frist- Lost Senate, and had Presidential aspirations destroyed for a variety of reasons
Harry Reid - goes without saying.

Tom Daschle ended poorly as well Tongue Wink

Oh yea, I forgot he ran the Senate for like 16 months or something like that, thanks to that SOB exemplary moderate hero Power hungry POS from Vermont. Wink

Corrected. Wink

Re-corrected. Tongue

Yes, Jeffords was so "power hungry" that he retired less than 4 years after the switch when he could've won re-election in a heartbeat. By "power hungry" I think you mean "unalterably fed up with southern far right theocrat control of the GOP", my friend. Wink

You know, Moderates whine that we need to accomodate them, and have a big tent. Yet when it turns around they rarely find it in themselves to support conservatives. Its telling that even as late as 2006, Chafee survived his primary challenge. The knocking off of moderates began that year but it certainly wasn't the impossibility it is now for a moderate to win a primary. The actions of Jeffords and Chafee in part, doomed Castle and possibly Snowe in 2012. Power hungry might have been a poor choice, but Jeffords was certainly arrogant and certainly didn't give a damn about strenthening and building up moderates within the GOP, nor did he care about Snowe, who tried to dissuade him from leaving the caucus. He could have become an Indy but stayed with the GOP caucus. That would have made his statement. He went the next step, depriving the GOP of its Senate majority. He did far more to destroy moderate Republicans, then Palin and Toomey did, in my opinion. He got his moment in the national news, he got a superior committee placement, and yes he did retire having succeeding to garner far more attention and influence then he deserved. I personally have know problem with moderate Republicans, but I do know self-serving arrogance when I see it, and I know counterproductivity when I see it.


So it wasn't conservatives pushing out moderate views in the GOP--a process that began LONG before 2010--that caused Jeffords and other moderates to leave, it was the moderates refusal to support conservatives? It isn't the increasingly Tea Party dominated GOP base that voted out Castle and threatens Snowe, but the moderates themselves? Huh

Wow. That is some seriously revisionist history there Yank.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2010, 08:36:13 AM »

I won't fault you for trying. It's always been my dream to be Majority Leader of the Senate. Tongue

Why? You really want to end up like these characters have?

Bob Dole - Connection to Senate dragged down his campaign for President
Trent Lott - axed amidst scandal
Bill Frist- Lost Senate, and had Presidential aspirations destroyed for a variety of reasons
Harry Reid - goes without saying.

Tom Daschle ended poorly as well Tongue Wink

Oh yea, I forgot he ran the Senate for like 16 months or something like that, thanks to that SOB exemplary moderate hero Power hungry POS from Vermont. Wink

Corrected. Wink

Re-corrected. Tongue

Yes, Jeffords was so "power hungry" that he retired less than 4 years after the switch when he could've won re-election in a heartbeat. By "power hungry" I think you mean "unalterably fed up with southern far right theocrat control of the GOP", my friend. Wink

You know, Moderates whine that we need to accomodate them, and have a big tent. Yet when it turns around they rarely find it in themselves to support conservatives. Its telling that even as late as 2006, Chafee survived his primary challenge. The knocking off of moderates began that year but it certainly wasn't the impossibility it is now for a moderate to win a primary. The actions of Jeffords and Chafee in part, doomed Castle and possibly Snowe in 2012. Power hungry might have been a poor choice, but Jeffords was certainly arrogant and certainly didn't give a damn about strenthening and building up moderates within the GOP, nor did he care about Snowe, who tried to dissuade him from leaving the caucus. He could have become an Indy but stayed with the GOP caucus. That would have made his statement. He went the next step, depriving the GOP of its Senate majority. He did far more to destroy moderate Republicans, then Palin and Toomey did, in my opinion. He got his moment in the national news, he got a superior committee placement, and yes he did retire having succeeding to garner far more attention and influence then he deserved. I personally have know problem with moderate Republicans, but I do know self-serving arrogance when I see it, and I know counterproductivity when I see it.


So it wasn't conservatives pushing out moderate views in the GOP--a process that began LONG before 2010--that caused Jeffords and other moderates to leave, it was the moderates refusal to support conservatives? It isn't the increasingly Tea Party dominated GOP base that voted out Castle and threatens Snowe, but the moderates themselves? Huh

Wow. That is some seriously revisionist history there Yank.

1. Of course it has happened before like Clifford Case in 1978, however it wasn't as widespread as it is now and was a more individualized occurance. As late as 2004, Specter was renominatied, in 2006, Chafee was. Now, they are lucky if they even win a single primary in a state like Delaware, which they didn't. The Club For Growth's first real primary successes were in 2006 and 2008. That is what I was referring too. Do I have spell out every damn miniscule detail of my point to avoid you from making stupid assumptions that insult my intelligence Roll Eyes.


Apparantly, yes.... Tongue
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