Kerry: "None of your business!"

[??????????]

What part of Florida do you live in?  The panhandle?  I have relatives that live around Orlando.  They tell me scads of people have moved into that area from out of state - mostly the North.  I was hoping that after Jed's easy victory in 2002 that we might have an easier time in Florida and we wouldn't have to sweat it out.

I live between Tampa and Orlando and its a very Conservative area of our fine state.

[agcatter]

You"re kidding.  I live in Seabrook about 25 miles away.  We're about a mile from the Galveston County line.  I was in Galveston last weekend!

How did you end up in California?  Long story?

[agcatter]

My son is attending a golf school in Orlando.  He is in heaven with all the great golf courses located there.

[??????????]

They have a school for golf? Good grief. My town is called "Plant City". Winter Strawberry capital of the world.

[angus]

long story.  My folks are from Northern Minnesota.  I'm from all over.  I have been a registered voter in CA, FL, MA, MN, and TX though.  Small world.  

[agcatter]

Yeah, I wish I could have majored in golf instead of political science - would have been a hell of a lot more fun!

[??????????]

I would love to be able to afford college. Now I'm married and have 3 loves in my life. Wife and two daughters. But I'm happy.

[M]

Geez, y'all post fast! My mom's and her parents are from Galveston, so that's cool. Did you go to Ball?

[angus]

Agcat.  You're a polysci major.  That's why I have trouble keeping up.  I have been through Seabrook, not sure where Plant City is, though.  I lived in Orange County, FLA when I lived in florida, statesrights.  That's probably far away.

M, I did not go to Ball HS.  Went to three high schools, none of which were in Galveston.  I am a 1990 graduate of UT.  Hook 'em Horns!

My father designed offshore drilling rigs, that's what brought my folks to the Gulf Coast.  I went to 13 schools in 7 states and 2 countries between K and 12th grade.

[??????????]

Orange county is to the south. I live on the border of Hillsborough/Polk.

[agcatter]

uh oh.  I'm an aggie.  Hopefully we will win another game with you guys sometime in my lifetime.

[angus]

Jeb's a UT graduate, you know.  

George is a Yalie.  I think we went over this before.

[HoopsCubs]

You talk like the North has some majority over the rest of the country?

Not at all.  I think all parts of the nation are equally important.  I was merely trying to point out that the majority of the people in northern states and west coast states will vote for Kerry.   Bush is not as liked up here as he may be down there.  I just don't think it's going to be the landslide you think.  I expect a very tight race that will probably go down to the wire.  Massachusetts liberal or not, this is not 1988.  The country is very divided.  There are as many people hoping to see Bush go as there are hoping to see Bush stay.  I find it inconceivable that Kerry will not get at least 200 electoral votes.   And personally, I think Kerry will get 272.  He will lose New Mexico and Iowa, but win Ohio and New Hampshire.

 

[angus]

You'll have to define that Statesrights and HoopsCubs.  California has about 36 million people, 12.5% of the national population.  Actually, only 10.2% of the electoral votes, but yes, it is possible that one region may be of greater electoral (or other) import.  sure.  How do you define an ambiguous 'north'.  Let's say Southern New England, the Middle Atlantic, and the Upper Midwest.  Roughly 140 million people.  Lot's of votes.  Yeah, that's quite a bit, depending on exactly which states' votes you'd choose to count.  Enough for 200, I suspect.

[opebo]

You'll have to define that Statesrights and HoopsCubs.  California has about 36 million people, 12.5% of the national population.  Actually, only 10.2% of the electoral votes, but yes, it is possible that one region may be of greater electoral (or other) import.  sure.  How do you define an ambiguous 'north'.  Let's say Southern New England, the Middle Atlantic, and the Upper Midwest.  Roughly 140 million people.  Lot's of votes.  Yeah, that's quite a bit, depending on exactly which states' votes you'd choose to count.  Enough for 200, I suspect.

I'm beginning to suspect a Canadian fifth column up there.

[classical liberal]

The North & the West Coast
Basically what the Liberal Republican Party won in the mid-1800's is what will mostly go automatically for the Liberal Democratic Party in the early 2000's.  There are obvious exceptions but the trends seem the same.

[??????????]

I saw the clip just a few minutes ago of Kerry at that townhall meeting. I have to say I was disgusted at the way Kerry treated that man. He treated him like a piece of dirt. Stabbing the air pointing at him and demanding to know if he was a Republican. Are you a Republican? Are you registered a Republican? huh? Did you vote for Bush? Did you? The man said very lowly "Yes" and Kerry brushed him off like he was a piece of dirt. What a piece of work you all picked Democrats.

[HoopsCubs]

You'll have to define that Statesrights and HoopsCubs.  California has about 36 million people, 12.5% of the national population.  Actually, only 10.2% of the electoral votes, but yes, it is possible that one region may be of greater electoral (or other) import.  sure.  How do you define an ambiguous 'north'.  Let's say Southern New England, the Middle Atlantic, and the Upper Midwest.  Roughly 140 million people.  Lot's of votes.  Yeah, that's quite a bit, depending on exactly which states' votes you'd choose to count.  Enough for 200, I suspect.

I took exception to StatesRights saying that Kerry will be steamrolled.  I think Kerry already has 207 electoral votes (15 states plus DC) sewn up: CA, HI, OR, WA, IL, MI, MD, DE, DC, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA, VT and ME.  To me, those are Northern states plus West Coast with the exception of NH, PA, MN, WI, OH, IN, IA.  

If you add NH, PA, MN and WI, that's 45 more votes, which puts him at 252.   All the analysis I've seen has Kerry leading Bush by a small margin in those states.  And 3 of those 4 states did vote for Gore in 2000.   And if Gore had campaigned a little harder in NH, he probably would have won the state, and would be President today.



 

 

 

[classical liberal]

I forsee a period from 2004 or 2008 indefinitely onwards dominated by the liberal party, like from 1850's-1890's.  Maybe in 2040 there will begin a period of back-and-forth but then in about 2070 the liberal party will take over for another 40-50 year stint.

[opebo]

Its not the same kind of liberalism you guys!  Then it was Liberalism - what we call Conservatism now.  In otherwords individualism and capitalism.  Not the semi-socialism of modern 'liberalism'.

[angus]

Its not the same kind of liberalism you guys!  Then it was Liberalism - what we call Conservatism now.  In otherwords individualism and capitalism.  Not the semi-socialism of modern 'liberalism'.

essentially correct.

[M]

It's not the socialism that really grates me, as much as that distinct anti-patriotism, uncomfortableness with too much Flag, quickness to blame our country for problems overseas, and so forth.

[classical liberal]

What is conservative today was seen as liberal at the time.  What was conservative at the time is seen as barbaric today. What is liberal today would have been seen as crazy back then.

[HoopsCubs]

I saw the clip just a few minutes ago of Kerry at that townhall meeting. I have to say I was disgusted at the way Kerry treated that man. He treated him like a piece of dirt. Stabbing the air pointing at him and demanding to know if he was a Republican. Are you a Republican? Are you registered a Republican? huh? Did you vote for Bush? Did you? The man said very lowly "Yes" and Kerry brushed him off like he was a piece of dirt. What a piece of work you all picked Democrats.

So, Kerry snuffed out a Republican spy.  Big deal.  That will have very little negative impact on Kerry voters and likely Kerry voters.    The President and his supporters should be busy trying to figure out how they are going to create jobs and affordable healthcare for people in Ohio.  Those are the folks that are going to make or break the President.  

[??????????]

You'll have to define that Statesrights and HoopsCubs.  California has about 36 million people, 12.5% of the national population.  Actually, only 10.2% of the electoral votes, but yes, it is possible that one region may be of greater electoral (or other) import.  sure.  How do you define an ambiguous 'north'.  Let's say Southern New England, the Middle Atlantic, and the Upper Midwest.  Roughly 140 million people.  Lot's of votes.  Yeah, that's quite a bit, depending on exactly which states' votes you'd choose to count.  Enough for 200, I suspect.

I took exception to StatesRights saying that Kerry will be steamrolled.  I think Kerry already has 207 electoral votes (15 states plus DC) sewn up: CA, HI, OR, WA, IL, MI, MD, DE, DC, NJ, NY, CT, RI, MA, VT and ME.  To me, those are Northern states plus West Coast with the exception of NH, PA, MN, WI, OH, IN, IA.  

If you add NH, PA, MN and WI, that's 45 more votes, which puts him at 252.   All the analysis I've seen has Kerry leading Bush by a small margin in those states.  And 3 of those 4 states did vote for Gore in 2000.   And if Gore had campaigned a little harder in NH, he probably would have won the state, and would be President today.

There's no way you think Bush can grab back any of these states? I think Wa, Or, and ME could be up for grabs.