HR 1349: Including Overlooked Constitutional Powers Amendment (Failed)

[JGibson]

The compromise that I'd advocate for is this: Give Congress the power to establish specific agencies, offices, etc., but give the President control of the Departments, of which agencies fall into which departments, and who heads the departments.

I echo Sestak's concerns, and this would be a doable plan.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

The compromise that I'd advocate for is this: Give Congress the power to establish specific agencies, offices, etc., but give the President control of the Departments, of which agencies fall into which departments, and who heads the departments.

I echo Sestak's concerns, and this would be a doable plan.

Would this meet that compromise?

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[Esteemed Jimmy]

The compromise that I'd advocate for is this: Give Congress the power to establish specific agencies, offices, etc., but give the President control of the Departments, of which agencies fall into which departments, and who heads the departments.

I echo Sestak's concerns, and this would be a doable plan.

I pull my previous amendment and propose this amendment.

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[Esteemed Jimmy]

With no objections within 24 hours, Jimmy7812's amendment has been adopted. The bill currently stands as:

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This amendment attempt is truly comical considering it was written after our esteemed Speaker's bill at letting Congress do Weatherboy's responsibilities had to be tabled once he learned that there are legitimate constitutional concerns with it.

TBF I had multiple prewritten bills in the queue consolidating redundant bureaucracies until I learned how stupid the Atlasian Constitution is. IRL after 9/11 congress created DHS not Bush alone. Creating a bureaucracy is a legislative power, running it is an executive power. Congress constantly has to reauthorize bureaucracies IRL or their ability to operate expires. If Congress here decided to deauthorize all programs administered by an agency, it makes no sense that they are forbidden from eliminating that agency, thus leaving it staffed by persons not allowed to do anything in perpetuity. How is that good governance? My farm bill last year eliminated all usda marketing programs, which is the sole purpose of the Agricultural Marketing Service's existence. At present time the Agricultural Marketing Service still exists in Atlasia even though it has literally no powers or purpose. Thats dumb.

The idea is that the executive branch is suppose to eliminate those agencies and direct the consolidation of such.

[Mr. Reactionary]

This amendment attempt is truly comical considering it was written after our esteemed Speaker's bill at letting Congress do Weatherboy's responsibilities had to be tabled once he learned that there are legitimate constitutional concerns with it.

TBF I had multiple prewritten bills in the queue consolidating redundant bureaucracies until I learned how stupid the Atlasian Constitution is. IRL after 9/11 congress created DHS not Bush alone. Creating a bureaucracy is a legislative power, running it is an executive power. Congress constantly has to reauthorize bureaucracies IRL or their ability to operate expires. If Congress here decided to deauthorize all programs administered by an agency, it makes no sense that they are forbidden from eliminating that agency, thus leaving it staffed by persons not allowed to do anything in perpetuity. How is that good governance? My farm bill last year eliminated all usda marketing programs, which is the sole purpose of the Agricultural Marketing Service's existence. At present time the Agricultural Marketing Service still exists in Atlasia even though it has literally no powers or purpose. Thats dumb.

The idea is that the executive branch is suppose to eliminate those agencies and direct the consolidation of such.

I just dont think its good governance to deprive Congress of its power to eliminate bureaucracies (a legislative function) while giving the President the power to nullify any bureaucracy created by legislation (also a legislative function).

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Do other representatives feel like there has been sufficient debate on this bill?

[MAINEiac4434]

I do.

[JGibson]

I feel such debate has been rigorous and sufficient enough.

[JGibson]

I call for a final vote on this bill to be taken if no further debate is taken.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

I call for a final vote on this bill to be taken if no further debate is taken.

Motion for a final vote granted. Representatives have 24 hours for objection.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

A final vote has begun on this bill and will last for 72 hours, or until all representatives have voted. Please vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.

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[Esteemed Jimmy]

Aye

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

Nay!

[JGibson]

AYE

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Aye

[MAINEiac4434]

Aye

[Adam Griffin]

Aye

[Esteemed Jimmy]

With every representative voting, the final vote stands as:

Aye: 5 (Adam, JGibson, Jimmy7812, MAINEiac4434, razze)
Nay: 2 (LouisvilleThunder, Young Texan)
Abstain: 0
Missed: 2 (OSR, Vern)

Therefore, voting has closed and this bill fails 5-2-0-2.

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

With every representative voting, the final vote stands as:

Aye: 5 (Adam, JGibson, Jimmy7812, MAINEiac4434, razze)
Nay: 2 (LouisvilleThunder, Young Texan)
Abstain: 0
Missed: 2 (OSR, Vern)

Therefore, voting has closed and this bill passes 5-2-0-2.

Constitutional amendments need SIX (6) votes to pass.

[Sestak]

With every representative voting, the final vote stands as:

Aye: 5 (Adam, JGibson, Jimmy7812, MAINEiac4434, razze)
Nay: 2 (LouisvilleThunder, Young Texan)
Abstain: 0
Missed: 2 (OSR, Vern)

Therefore, voting has closed and this bill passes 5-2-0-2.

Constitutional amendments need SIX (6) votes to pass.

Yeah the constitution stipulates two thirds of all members, not two thirds of members voting.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment also violated House rules because it lacks a section specifically to explain what the Amendment would change in the constitution and why it is being changed.


By the way activity standards Amendment had the same problem and thus its House Passage is of questionable legitimacy.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Therefore, voting has closed and this bill fails 5-2-0-2.

Huzzah!