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« on: May 11, 2018, 06:50:51 PM »

I thought McCain already said multiple times in the past that he regrets choosing her?

Anyways, she's the MAGA sweetheart now:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/11/politics/sarah-palin-john-mccain-2008-running-mate/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2018, 07:09:00 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2018, 07:18:11 PM »

I can't believe she's shocked, but she must know that this aspect of her VP candidacy will now be brought up over and over again for the near future.

I'm a bit surprised that Trump didn't find a Cabinet spot for her, but she's kind of the Tim Tebow of politics.  Tebow lucked into a starting job, then lucked into the playoff, then lucked into a playoff win with the Broncos, before getting beat in the 2nd round of the playoffs.  He was the big media star of the team, but he wasn't that good a player, and it was obvious.  He became a backup, then left football when he wasn't offered more, and he's not been back.  That's because he's a star who wasn't a good player, and that never works out.  Tebow was offered the chance to go to Canada, and the chance to convert to a tight end, but he passed; he could handle stardom, but he couldn't handle not being the star.

That's kind of where Palin is, politically.  She made a big splash getting elected, then became a VP pick because she was a hot new star, but she didn't have the gravitas to pull off the role.  She had a following (and still does, to some extent), but she wasn't up to the starring role.  

What can you CREDIBLY offer a VP candidate, who was nowhere near ready to be President, as a position in your Administration?  What could Palin actually do?  A Cabinet Secretary?  Of what department?  You could offer her an Ambassadorship, but what Ambassadorship (other than maybe the UN Ambassador) is Cabinet-level?  If you offer her an under-Secretary position, or a position that isn't Cabinet level, you're ratifying the idea that McCain made a mistake, and that she's a lightweight.  She couldn't take that.

Palin SHOULD have run for Senate from AK in 2010.  She could have beaten Murkowski again, and her stock was higher.  She should never have left the Governorship of AK, but her doing so shows her disinterest in GOVERNMENT.  Had she become President, she'd have been the closest thing to Chester Arthur, qualifications-wise.
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2018, 10:11:14 PM »

I thought McCain already said multiple times in the past that he regrets choosing her?

He's hinted at it on a few occasions, but this is the first time he's outright admitted regret.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2018, 10:45:08 PM »

Sarah Palin still has supporters?

In all seriousness, it is pretty hilarious and sad that Sarah Palin - the vanguard of right-wing crazy 10 years ago - could now almost be considered an elder statesperson simply by not cheering on McCain's death and making folksy jokes about it.
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2018, 10:51:28 PM »

Sarah Palin still has supporters?

In all seriousness, it is pretty hilarious and sad that Sarah Palin - the vanguard of right-wing crazy 10 years ago - could now almost be considered an elder statesperson simply by not cheering on McCain's death and making folksy jokes about it.

I agree. And her craziness could actually get her far in Trump's GOP.
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2018, 11:09:16 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2018, 12:12:08 AM »

Sarah Palin still has supporters?

In all seriousness, it is pretty hilarious and sad that Sarah Palin - the vanguard of right-wing crazy 10 years ago - could now almost be considered an elder statesperson simply by not cheering on McCain's death and making folksy jokes about it.
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2018, 05:11:14 AM »

Sarah Palin still has supporters?

In all seriousness, it is pretty hilarious and sad that Sarah Palin - the vanguard of right-wing crazy 10 years ago - could now almost be considered an elder statesperson simply by not cheering on McCain's death and making folksy jokes about it.

Yes yes yes. Let that be a testament to how truly deplorable the Republican/Trump Party has become, when Sarah Palin doesn't think it's appropriate to mock someone's impeding death, but family values and country first and thoughts and prayers and all that jazz.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2018, 07:30:14 AM »

Sarah Palin's support around the time of that election was kind of an early symptom of the same issue that caused Trump's nomination/election. He's a major symptom and much "worse" than Palin, but they're definitely both symptoms of the same infection eating away at this democracy.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2018, 07:30:36 PM »

Sarah Palin's support around the time of that election was kind of an early symptom of the same issue that caused Drumpf's nomination/election. He's a major symptom and much "worse" than Palin, but they're definitely both symptoms of the same infection eating away at this democracy.

I always said that McCain inadvertently opened Palindora's Box by choosing her as a running mate and granting her relevance. Things may very well be different today if she was simply just an obscure governor of a small (population-wise) state.
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2018, 03:35:30 PM »

Let's call it out...Palin would've been a great pick if she didn't have an unmarried pregnant daughter.

That piece of information didn't come out until a couple days after the selection, and until it did, even CNN was calling the Palin pick a stroke of genius by the McCain campaign. However, it wasn't long after the reveal of Bristol's pregnancy that the left-wing media began to slut-shame her and even Sarah by proxy. Yes...the same part of the political spectrum that is now obsessed with the #metoo movement had no problem calling Bristol every name in the book. The story has it that the Obama campaign didn't condone using Bristol as an object of the campaign, but the left had plenty of surrogates doing it for them.

It all became moot once the market collapsed (McCain's chances of winning the election dropped to 0 at that point), but many people forget that ever-so-brief window of time when Palin was considered just the jolt of energy that the sleepy McCain campaign needed at that point. Arguments about the effect Palin ultimately had on the election results usually ring specious to me, but nobody can make the supposition that she was a bad pick from day one.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2018, 04:13:04 PM »

Let's call it out...Palin would've been a great pick if she didn't have an unmarried pregnant daughter.

That piece of information didn't come out until a couple days after the selection, and until it did, even CNN was calling the Palin pick a stroke of genius by the McCain campaign. However, it wasn't long after the reveal of Bristol's pregnancy that the left-wing media began to slut-shame her and even Sarah by proxy. Yes...the same part of the political spectrum that is now obsessed with the #metoo movement had no problem calling Bristol every name in the book. The story has it that the Obama campaign didn't condone using Bristol as an object of the campaign, but the left had plenty of surrogates doing it for them.

It all became moot once the market collapsed (McCain's chances of winning the election dropped to 0 at that point), but many people forget that ever-so-brief window of time when Palin was considered just the jolt of energy that the sleepy McCain campaign needed at that point. Arguments about the effect Palin ultimately had on the election results usually ring specious to me, but nobody can make the supposition that she was a bad pick from day one.

It wasn't her pregnant unmarried daughter, it was that Sarah Palin was totally ignorant of most basic facts regarding international affairs, economics, and current events. This gradually became known as she interviewed with major domestic news outlets. Now, it is possible that Americans would have tolerated such ignorance had the economy continued to sing, but once it hit the skids people didn't want such an ignoramus a few heartbeats away from the presidency. I think America's rejection of such ignorance in 2008 made me overly confident that they would do so again in 2016, given Donald Trump's even more egregious ignorance being displayed proudly on a near-hourly basis. But perhaps the economy was on stronger footing and people were more comfortable with an idiot for president, or perhaps being a moron is an acceptable trait in a male politician but not a female one. Extremely disconcerting either way..
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2018, 04:36:04 PM »

Let's call it out...Palin would've been a great pick if she didn't have an unmarried pregnant daughter.

That piece of information didn't come out until a couple days after the selection, and until it did, even CNN was calling the Palin pick a stroke of genius by the McCain campaign. However, it wasn't long after the reveal of Bristol's pregnancy that the left-wing media began to slut-shame her and even Sarah by proxy. Yes...the same part of the political spectrum that is now obsessed with the #metoo movement had no problem calling Bristol every name in the book. The story has it that the Obama campaign didn't condone using Bristol as an object of the campaign, but the left had plenty of surrogates doing it for them.

It all became moot once the market collapsed (McCain's chances of winning the election dropped to 0 at that point), but many people forget that ever-so-brief window of time when Palin was considered just the jolt of energy that the sleepy McCain campaign needed at that point. Arguments about the effect Palin ultimately had on the election results usually ring specious to me, but nobody can make the supposition that she was a bad pick from day one.
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2018, 04:58:19 PM »

Let's call it out...Palin would've been a great pick if she didn't have an unmarried pregnant daughter.

That piece of information didn't come out until a couple days after the selection, and until it did, even CNN was calling the Palin pick a stroke of genius by the McCain campaign. However, it wasn't long after the reveal of Bristol's pregnancy that the left-wing media began to slut-shame her and even Sarah by proxy. Yes...the same part of the political spectrum that is now obsessed with the #metoo movement had no problem calling Bristol every name in the book. The story has it that the Obama campaign didn't condone using Bristol as an object of the campaign, but the left had plenty of surrogates doing it for them.

It all became moot once the market collapsed (McCain's chances of winning the election dropped to 0 at that point), but many people forget that ever-so-brief window of time when Palin was considered just the jolt of energy that the sleepy McCain campaign needed at that point. Arguments about the effect Palin ultimately had on the election results usually ring specious to me, but nobody can make the supposition that she was a bad pick from day one.

It wasn't her pregnant unmarried daughter, it was that Sarah Palin was totally ignorant of most basic facts regarding international affairs, economics, and current events. This gradually became known as she interviewed with major domestic news outlets. Now, it is possible that Americans would have tolerated such ignorance had the economy continued to sing, but once it hit the skids people didn't want such an ignoramus a few heartbeats away from the presidency. I think America's rejection of such ignorance in 2008 made me overly confident that they would do so again in 2016, given Donald Trump's even more egregious ignorance being displayed proudly on a near-hourly basis. But perhaps the economy was on stronger footing and people were more comfortable with an idiot for president, or perhaps being a moron is an acceptable trait in a male politician but not a female one. Extremely disconcerting either way..

This was more the fault of the McCain campaign than Palin herself. She obviously wasn’t vetted, but the campaign was looking for a Hail Mary pass. She was who she was...she wasn’t going to become a foreign policy expert just because she was selected as a VP candidate.

The most disturbing part of this whole story is that McCain actually believes one different decision would have actually made a difference in that disaster of an election.
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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2018, 08:12:08 PM »

Let's call it out...Palin would've been a great pick if she didn't have an unmarried pregnant daughter.

That piece of information didn't come out until a couple days after the selection, and until it did, even CNN was calling the Palin pick a stroke of genius by the McCain campaign. However, it wasn't long after the reveal of Bristol's pregnancy that the left-wing media began to slut-shame her and even Sarah by proxy. Yes...the same part of the political spectrum that is now obsessed with the #metoo movement had no problem calling Bristol every name in the book. The story has it that the Obama campaign didn't condone using Bristol as an object of the campaign, but the left had plenty of surrogates doing it for them.

It all became moot once the market collapsed (McCain's chances of winning the election dropped to 0 at that point), but many people forget that ever-so-brief window of time when Palin was considered just the jolt of energy that the sleepy McCain campaign needed at that point. Arguments about the effect Palin ultimately had on the election results usually ring specious to me, but nobody can make the supposition that she was a bad pick from day one.

It wasn't her pregnant unmarried daughter, it was that Sarah Palin was totally ignorant of most basic facts regarding international affairs, economics, and current events. This gradually became known as she interviewed with major domestic news outlets. Now, it is possible that Americans would have tolerated such ignorance had the economy continued to sing, but once it hit the skids people didn't want such an ignoramus a few heartbeats away from the presidency. I think America's rejection of such ignorance in 2008 made me overly confident that they would do so again in 2016, given Donald Trump's even more egregious ignorance being displayed proudly on a near-hourly basis. But perhaps the economy was on stronger footing and people were more comfortable with an idiot for president, or perhaps being a moron is an acceptable trait in a male politician but not a female one. Extremely disconcerting either way..

This was more the fault of the McCain campaign than Palin herself. She obviously wasn’t vetted, but the campaign was looking for a Hail Mary pass. She was who she was...she wasn’t going to become a foreign policy expert just because she was selected as a VP candidate.

The most disturbing part of this whole story is that McCain actually believes one different decision would have actually made a difference in that disaster of an election.

The truth is that while she was actually a fairly competent Governor and a breath of fresh air in the very corrupt Alaska GOP (she ran against Murko’s shadiness) she was grotesquely unprepared for the national stage. Now, the issues she was expected to command as a VP pick we’re not the issues she was expected to command in Alaska, so the McCain team definitely didn’t prepare her properly or do their due diligence. She was a terrible choice all around.
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2018, 08:36:28 PM »

Let's call it out...Palin would've been a great pick if she didn't have an unmarried pregnant daughter.

That piece of information didn't come out until a couple days after the selection, and until it did, even CNN was calling the Palin pick a stroke of genius by the McCain campaign. However, it wasn't long after the reveal of Bristol's pregnancy that the left-wing media began to slut-shame her and even Sarah by proxy. Yes...the same part of the political spectrum that is now obsessed with the #metoo movement had no problem calling Bristol every name in the book. The story has it that the Obama campaign didn't condone using Bristol as an object of the campaign, but the left had plenty of surrogates doing it for them.

It all became moot once the market collapsed (McCain's chances of winning the election dropped to 0 at that point), but many people forget that ever-so-brief window of time when Palin was considered just the jolt of energy that the sleepy McCain campaign needed at that point. Arguments about the effect Palin ultimately had on the election results usually ring specious to me, but nobody can make the supposition that she was a bad pick from day one.

It wasn't her pregnant unmarried daughter, it was that Sarah Palin was totally ignorant of most basic facts regarding international affairs, economics, and current events. This gradually became known as she interviewed with major domestic news outlets. Now, it is possible that Americans would have tolerated such ignorance had the economy continued to sing, but once it hit the skids people didn't want such an ignoramus a few heartbeats away from the presidency. I think America's rejection of such ignorance in 2008 made me overly confident that they would do so again in 2016, given Donald Trump's even more egregious ignorance being displayed proudly on a near-hourly basis. But perhaps the economy was on stronger footing and people were more comfortable with an idiot for president, or perhaps being a moron is an acceptable trait in a male politician but not a female one. Extremely disconcerting either way..

Having a pregnant 17 year old daughter isn't a scandal anymore, and it wasn't in 2008.  What hurt Palin on this was the backstory behind the pregnancy, the drama between the families that came out over time, and the whispering campaign about how Sarah's mentally challenged young son, Trig, was really Bristol's FIRST child.  The child's father was brought down to the RNC in 2008, and there  was all sorts of talk about a shotgun wedding and such.  This sort of drama is the stuff folks wish to avoid, regardless of who's to blame. 

The other thing is about Sarah Palin's personality.  I must confess that I despise her, and I find her to be the narcissist Trump is, but without 1/100th of the accomplishments.  She also is the sort of Christian that I've never cared for; one who was right on abortion as a public stance, but who never conveyed compassion for others or empathy and concern for the poor.  To be fair, I shouldn't really hold narcissim and self-absorption against her; these qualities are necessary to survive and thrive in American politics when you really think about it.
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