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Former President tack50
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« on: October 17, 2020, 07:10:37 AM »

The term "lockdown" is grossly overused (and not specifically you, OP; the term gets thrown around in the media far too lightly).  Yes, there were some countries that enforced strict stay-at-home policies, but these haven't been in place for months (Italy lifted its order in May, for instance).  

In other words: it's not as though all of Europe has been under house arrest since March and they're now suddenly experiencing a surge in cases.  

Yeah the current so-called lockdowns here in Spain (which are only happening in Madrid region and select cities) are incredibly lenient compared to the old ones.

The new """lockdown""" basically means that you cannot leave your municipality, except for work and other essencial stuff. However within your municipality you can do whatever you want, including meeting up with friends and what not, just limited to 5 people. You can go outside and walk by yourself all you want. Bars and restaurants are still open until 10pm, although I think that in some places they are restricted to people living in the same household (not sure on this).

Meanwhile the old lockdown was pretty much home arrest for 47 million people. If you are out on the street without a good reason, you get fined 600€. No exceptions.
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2020, 07:14:34 AM »


The US will end up with probably 600,000 death of Coronavirus by the end of the year, whereas Europe might only have 300,000 total. The only European countries that really screwed up with their Coronavirus responses were the UK, Italy, Spain, and Portugal. The rest of Europe isn’t in that bad of shape to be honest with you due to the fact that lockdowns and stay at home orders were strictly enforced. I would say that Italy, Spain, and Portugal botched their handling of the Coronavirus pandemic due to the influence of the Catholic Church, whereas the UK handled the Coronavirus poorly due to Boris Johnson’s failed policies.

Spain 100% botched the COVID response, but out of all the causes for it, the Catholic Church is not one of them. The Church probably has 0 influence whatsoever in the current government. Even if Spain was to have a conservative led government the Church's influence would still be extremely limited (the Rajoy cabinet was certainly not religiously influenced outside a failed attempt at banning abortion)

Same thing applies in Italy and Portugal.

If you want to seek blame on something, you can look maybe at societal structure, or the governments not reacting fast or comprehensively enough or stuff like that; but not at the Catholic Church.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2020, 06:26:54 PM »

Spain imposes a curfew from 11 p.m. to 6 a.m. As if coronavirus only spreads during the night. Crazy stuff. You can't make this stuff up.


As someone actually living there yeah, the curfew is actually quite dumb, even if we do need strict meaaures
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