Kerry: "None of your business!"

[??????????]

I saw the clip just a few minutes ago of Kerry at that townhall meeting. I have to say I was disgusted at the way Kerry treated that man. He treated him like a piece of dirt. Stabbing the air pointing at him and demanding to know if he was a Republican. Are you a Republican? Are you registered a Republican? huh? Did you vote for Bush? Did you? The man said very lowly "Yes" and Kerry brushed him off like he was a piece of dirt. What a piece of work you all picked Democrats.

So, Kerry snuffed out a Republican spy.  Big deal.  That will have very little negative impact on Kerry voters and likely Kerry voters.    The President and his supporters should be busy trying to figure out how they are going to create jobs and affordable healthcare for people in Ohio.  Those are the folks that are going to make or break the President.  

Oh, so a regular citizen who is a Republican that questions Kerry is suddenly a "spy". But it's ok to smash Bush all day long with no questions. Even if it was a so called "spy" his tone and attitude were very disturbing. I would have smacked him if I was there.

[HoopsCubs]

I saw the clip just a few minutes ago of Kerry at that townhall meeting. I have to say I was disgusted at the way Kerry treated that man. He treated him like a piece of dirt. Stabbing the air pointing at him and demanding to know if he was a Republican. Are you a Republican? Are you registered a Republican? huh? Did you vote for Bush? Did you? The man said very lowly "Yes" and Kerry brushed him off like he was a piece of dirt. What a piece of work you all picked Democrats.

So, Kerry snuffed out a Republican spy.  Big deal.  That will have very little negative impact on Kerry voters and likely Kerry voters.    The President and his supporters should be busy trying to figure out how they are going to create jobs and affordable healthcare for people in Ohio.  Those are the folks that are going to make or break the President.  

Oh, so a regular citizen who is a Republican that questions Kerry is suddenly a "spy". But it's ok to smash Bush all day long with no questions. Even if it was a so called "spy" his tone and attitude were very disturbing. I would have smacked him if I was there.

Come on.  Each party does this type of stuff to the other party all the time.   They plant informants at public partisan gatherings every day of the week.  There was nothing disturbing about it.  Way too sensitive.  Oh, and you would have smacked Kerry?  Now, that would have been a disturbing response.



 

[classical liberal]

Every day partisan politics.

[angus]

It's not the socialism that really grates me, as much as that distinct anti-patriotism, uncomfortableness with too much Flag, quickness to blame our country for problems overseas, and so forth.

Agreed.  That's the difference!  This is an occassionally recurring theme, that we can have differences in how we collect and distribute, and how much, but the distinct anti-patriotism gives me a very bad vibe.  That's all I was trying to say.  Thank you.

[classical liberal]

Of course, if you dissect the word: patris ota "soldier of the father(land)"  it seems a bit too much like "for mother russia"

[angus]

interesting that some say mother country, some say fatherland.  Like usa, england, etc.  But in Spain, Mexico...  And in Germany, Russia, but then Saudia Arabia.  It's all different.  You do not choose these things.

The point here is that at some point people can determine whether they can accept that this is none of their business.  It will become part of the continuum of ideas out there.  There is only one poll that matters.

[classical liberal]

Not you as an individual, but the collective you of society chose these things at the point where the languages converged to a limit in their evolution.

The "grasshopper" bit seems a bit out of place there.

[Reaganfan]

that was a HORRIBLE  performance by kerry.  im starting to think that maybe dean would be a tougher candidate to run against.  

i think kerry is finding out that running against an incumbent president is going to be a little tougher than running against kucinich, sharpton, and mosley-braun.

also, powell said that kerry should point to an istance where he (powell) has been 'marginalized' by the president.  kerry should stop speaking for other people.  he should also realize that powell is ON BUSH"S SIDE, not his.

You metioned Dean, GOP wanted Dean in there, Kerry is just as bad. He will not become president.

[??????????]

I saw the clip just a few minutes ago of Kerry at that townhall meeting. I have to say I was disgusted at the way Kerry treated that man. He treated him like a piece of dirt. Stabbing the air pointing at him and demanding to know if he was a Republican. Are you a Republican? Are you registered a Republican? huh? Did you vote for Bush? Did you? The man said very lowly "Yes" and Kerry brushed him off like he was a piece of dirt. What a piece of work you all picked Democrats.

So, Kerry snuffed out a Republican spy.  Big deal.  That will have very little negative impact on Kerry voters and likely Kerry voters.    The President and his supporters should be busy trying to figure out how they are going to create jobs and affordable healthcare for people in Ohio.  Those are the folks that are going to make or break the President.  

Oh, so a regular citizen who is a Republican that questions Kerry is suddenly a "spy". But it's ok to smash Bush all day long with no questions. Even if it was a so called "spy" his tone and attitude were very disturbing. I would have smacked him if I was there.

Come on.  Each party does this type of stuff to the other party all the time.   They plant informants at public partisan gatherings every day of the week.  There was nothing disturbing about it.  Way too sensitive.  Oh, and you would have smacked Kerry?  Now, that would have been a disturbing response.



 

Do you have any proof this guy was an informant? Or is that none of my business? The point is if you are running for office, no matter if he's your political opposite or not the whole point is you don't treat someone like a peice of dirt. If you talked to him in the right way you could convert someone to your side. You dont shoo them off like a fly.

[M]

He was probably a heckler (I don't think the word spy is really appropriate), and of course both sides do this all the time, even at like the city councilman longshot candidate of Nowheresville's barbecue.

Kerry, however, handled this entire episode badly. He messed up by saying these people had endorsed him (true or not), messed up again by hiding names, and he looked, at least on TV, like he was really mean to this fellow.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

He was probably a heckler (I don't think the word spy is really appropriate), and of course both sides do this all the time, even at like the city councilman longshot candidate of Nowheresville's barbecue.

Kerry, however, handled this entire episode badly. He messed up by saying these people had endorsed him (true or not), messed up again by hiding names, and he looked, at least on TV, like he was really mean to this fellow.

Was this episode on TV?  Obviously, I guess it was.  Dang, I missed it.  The "None of your business" line would have been very entertaining.

[Wakie]

He was probably a heckler (I don't think the word spy is really appropriate), and of course both sides do this all the time, even at like the city councilman longshot candidate of Nowheresville's barbecue.

Kerry, however, handled this entire episode badly. He messed up by saying these people had endorsed him (true or not), messed up again by hiding names, and he looked, at least on TV, like he was really mean to this fellow.

Yeah ... he came off bad.  Honestly he shouldn't have mentioned the "other world leaders" thing.  But now that he did you truly can't expect him to "name names".  This administration is nothing if not vindictive.  I don't think I'd give up my worst enemy to them unless that person were planning on harming someone (or had already done so).

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Yeah ... he came off bad.  Honestly he shouldn't have mentioned the "other world leaders" thing.  But now that he did you truly can't expect him to "name names".  This administration is nothing if not vindictive.  I don't think I'd give up my worst enemy to them unless that person were planning on harming someone (or had already done so).

Oh come on, everyone takes advantages of gaffs.  The point is that Kerry doesn't have sense enough to control his mouth even though his statement is probably true.

If Kerry doesn't name them, Kerry looks bad.  If Kerry does name them, Bush is helped because Americans (on average) don't like the idea of foreigners tinkering around in American politics (kinda like me calling foreigners on this board "busybodies").

And regardless if Kerry names them or not, Kerry looks dumb for making the comment.

It's a WIN-WIN-WIN for Bush.

What's more, Kerry is compounding the problem by accusing Bush of changing the subject from the jobless recovery when, in fact, it was Kerry that made the comment in the first place.  LOL!

[M]

I, for one, very much appreciate the foreign input on this forum, which I think raises the quality of membership for everyone here. But when you're the leader of a country, you're held to a different standard. Still, Gustaf, please don't abdicate!

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I, for one, very much appreciate the foreign input on this forum

Well, it does make for a more entertaining forum...but my point was that the American public ain't gonna like foreigners trying to influence American elections.

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It would be a GOP wet-dream for the leaders of France and Germany to endorse Kerry, adding to his list of foreign endorsements that include NKorea !!!

[angus]

It would be a GOP wet-dream for the leaders of France and Germany to endorse Kerry, adding to his list of foreign endorsements which include NKorea !!!

Foreigners prefer Democrats to Republicans.  Always.  They preferred Carter to Reagan, Gore to Bush, and France&Germany&England cheered when the Army of Northern Virginia deafeated the Army of the Potomac.  It should not be surprising that Kerry has the support of foreign leaders.  But, I agree that if foreigners start to actually meddle around in what is an internal matter, it will cost Kerry points of every US national.  Kerry has lost sight of that.  He's becoming sloppy.

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Bush in having a field day with this...


"If you're going to make an accusation in the course of a presidential campaign, you ought to back it up with facts," Bush told reporters in the Oval Office after meeting with Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende of the Netherlands.

Kerry, meanwhile, dismissed White House suggestions that he is lying if he is not willing to identify the leaders.

"I'm not making anything up at all," Kerry told The Associated Press in an interview Monday. He accused Republicans of "trying to change the subject" from jobs, health care and other issues.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=694&u=/ap/20040316/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_16&printer=1

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Aside for the fact that it was Kerry himself that introduced us to this topic of discussion, one of his advisors needs to suggest that he STOP responding to this question even if he has to admit that he shouldn't have mentioned it.

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"If you're going to make an accusation in the course of a presidential campaign, you ought to back it up with facts," Bush told reporters in the Oval Office after meeting with Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende of the Netherlands.

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Notice that Bush's jab was made during a photo op of a state visit with a foreign leader!  That's a political HOME-RUN!!!!

 

[angus]

Nice, where did you see/read that?

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Nice, where did you see/read that?

It's in the same yahoo news story I posted in the previous post.

[angus]

I also notice from the photo slide show on that same page that Kerry is getting a little better at retracting the finger.  In some of them he has clinched fists.  All this puts whoever said they support him in a dicey position.  Suppose Paul Martin says to Kerry privately, "Yeah, us cannucks are hoping you'll win and end the reign of King George II"  And Kerry says, "Well, can I get an endorsement?"  And Martin says, "Of course I can't make that comment publicly.  What if Bush wins?  I'll have egg on my face."  You see Kerry's problem.  Now, Kerry knew he couldn't give up the names of his foreign supporters, so he shouldn't have brought it up to the firemen in the first place.  The Bush people sense a weakness, and they pounce on it like a lion after the oldest, slowest antelope in a herd.  So Kerry tries to change the subject, ever so slightly, "I stand by my statement. The point is not the leaders. What's important is that this administration's foreign policy is not making us as safe as we can be in the world."  He's a lawyer.  Bush is a businessman.  It'll get more interesting I suspect, as the press will follow this story.

[Gustaf]

It would be a GOP wet-dream for the leaders of France and Germany to endorse Kerry, adding to his list of foreign endorsements which include NKorea !!!

Foreigners prefer Democrats to Republicans.  Always.  They preferred Carter to Reagan, Gore to Bush, and France&Germany&England cheered when the Army of Northern Virginia deafeated the Army of the Potomac.  It should not be surprising that Kerry has the support of foreign leaders.  But, I agree that if foreigners start to actually meddle around in what is an internal matter, it will cost Kerry points of every US national.  Kerry has lost sight of that.  He's becoming sloppy.

I preferred Reagan over Carter and Bush over Gore. Or, in the first case, would have if I'd been alive...

And, no M, I won't abdicate.

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"This president needs to stop
changing the subject by
responding to my silly comments.
My comments are none of his
business."

[Brambila]

Its not the same kind of liberalism you guys!  Then it was Liberalism - what we call Conservatism now.  In otherwords individualism and capitalism.  Not the semi-socialism of modern 'liberalism'.

Ehh, not nessecarily true. Everyone at that time was socially conservative, but in almost every other way the liberals were closer to liberaterianism. I suppose you could consider it close to conservatism as liberaterians and conservatives have similar economics, but there are other issues where liberaterians were and still are different.

Angus, you live in livermore? Not far away from where I live, the jolly city of San Francisco.