Do independents have a tendency to be anti-incumbent?
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« on: August 09, 2021, 03:27:37 PM »

Do independents have some tendency to oppose who ever is holding the presidency? While I wouldn't put too much stock in them, some polls suggested Joe Biden at least has lost some support among them. Back in 2012, Obama lost independents to Romney and Trump got blown out last year. Is this actually the case or am I wrong?
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2021, 10:47:02 PM »

I feel like white independents = yes

Minority independents = no (the opposite)
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2021, 08:58:23 AM »

don't try to drag up my Bitecoferist past like this

anyway yeah probably
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2021, 11:58:14 AM »

Independents, like swing voters in general, generally lean towards incumbents but in certain circumstances become very likely to flip.
If independents have a tendency to be anti-incumbent, then how do you explain Clinton winning again in 1996 and Bush winning again in 2004?
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2021, 11:15:41 PM »

New Hampshire independents maybe?
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2021, 05:13:28 AM »

We're not living in 2014 Rs already had a cushion in the H, Rs have to Earn their way to Majority, don't expect a Red wave
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2021, 08:19:23 AM »


As "Non-Swing Voter" said, White independents. Wink

New Hampshire's seemingly constant swing against the incumbent party is interesting, though.
Chris Sununu must be doing something right to hang on like that.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2021, 09:26:39 AM »

Independents, like swing voters in general, generally lean towards incumbents but in certain circumstances become very likely to flip.
If independents have a tendency to be anti-incumbent, then how do you explain Clinton winning again in 1996 and Bush winning again in 2004?

With the major caveat being that there is actually very little overlap between "independents" and "swing voters" in general, as something like >70% of self-reported "independents" vote for the same party election after election.  Republican voters have historically been more likely to adopt the "independent" label while Democratic voters are nominally more partisan but include the bulk of self-described "moderates."

"Independent" voters are mostly just people who don't like labels and exhibit lower social trust.  "Moderates" are either Boomer-age Democrats who remember "liberal" as a dirty word from the 1980s and 1990s or high-information voters who have convinced themselves they hold all the "reasonable" positions. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2021, 11:36:17 AM »

The average voter is far more pro-incumbent than anti-incumbent.
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