How much of an issue will the 2000 Florida fiasco be?

[Phony Moderate]

If Jeb Bush is the nominee and all.

[pbrower2a]

Ancient history.

If Florida is the deciding state, then Governor Rick Scott will make sure that Florida's electoral votes go to the Republican.  The voting devices will do funny things, like reverse the tallies in heavily-Democratic precincts.

[NewYorkExpress]

Ancient history.

If Florida is the deciding state, then Governor Rick Scott will make sure that Florida's electoral votes go to the Republican.  The voting devices will do funny things, like reverse the tallies in heavily-Democratic precincts.

Governor Scott isn't that stupid... and Besides he doesn't have skin in the game. He's not running, nor are any of his relatives (that we know of), and we don't know if he'd support a Bush/Rubio bid.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Ancient history.

If Florida is the deciding state, then Governor Rick Scott will make sure that Florida's electoral votes go to the Republican.  The voting devices will do funny things, like reverse the tallies in heavily-Democratic precincts.

Governor Scott isn't that stupid... and Besides he doesn't have skin in the game. He's not running, nor are any of his relatives (that we know of), and we don't know if he'd support a Bush/Rubio bid.

Scott would enthusiastically support any republican over Hillary. He's not going to try to fraud the vote though. In any case, the Florida 2000 debacle was the fault of Katherine Harris and Ralph Nader more than it was the fault of Jeb Bush.

[136or142]

Hopefully the role, if any, Jeb Bush played in illegally removing around 10,000 African American voters from the voter roles will finally receive the attention it deserves.

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Ancient history.

If Florida is the deciding state, then Governor Rick Scott will make sure that Florida's electoral votes go to the Republican.  The voting devices will do funny things, like reverse the tallies in heavily-Democratic precincts.

Governor Scott isn't that stupid... and Besides he doesn't have skin in the game. He's not running, nor are any of his relatives (that we know of), and we don't know if he'd support a Bush/Rubio bid.

Yeah, Republicans wouldn't dare steal an election after last time when they paid heavy repercussions of ummm, uhhh, yeah.

[pbrower2a]

Ancient history.

If Florida is the deciding state, then Governor Rick Scott will make sure that Florida's electoral votes go to the Republican.  The voting devices will do funny things, like reverse the tallies in heavily-Democratic precincts.

Governor Scott isn't that stupid... and Besides he doesn't have skin in the game. He's not running, nor are any of his relatives (that we know of), and we don't know if he'd support a Bush/Rubio bid.

He wouldn't cheat if it does not matter. The Democratic nominee will surely play a beat-the-cheat strategy as did President Obama twice.

[pbrower2a]

Ancient history.

If Florida is the deciding state, then Governor Rick Scott will make sure that Florida's electoral votes go to the Republican.  The voting devices will do funny things, like reverse the tallies in heavily-Democratic precincts.

No. This is not 2000 or 2004 (Ohio) anymore. If Scott had wanted to cheat in 2012, Romney would have carried FL. And do you seriously believe that Hillary Clinton will just stand by and accept the fact that she has been robbed?

Florida would not have made a difference in 2012. Obama was going to win 303 electoral votes in 2012 even without Florida. Rick Scott did not want to risk Eric Holder's associates snooping around Florida. But if Mitt Romney had been elected, then Governor Scott would have been absolved.

We are talking about a situation that did not happen.

[heatmaster]

That's overestimating the power of Governor's in the activities of individual counties; each county designates the composition of ballots and and he certainly didn't have any final say or a role in there design, or control over how stupid or lazy voters could be, when voting for their particular choice of candidate. If a voter can't or won't bother to distinguish if it was Pat Buchanan or Al Gore or not check before leaving the voting booth, that is hardly Jeb Bush's fault. But then again that is a minor detail when it comes to the feckless and irresponsible hacks who refuse to understand that voters are fickle and indifferent to the consequences of the outcome until it's too late. Maybe people need to be reminded that it is a established fact that Secretary of State, Katherine Harris had oversight over the electoral process and the U.S. Supreme court through its ruling, the final outcome. There's another gem that's been overlooked, why couldn't Al Gore not win one single southern state? Had he carried either Arkansas or Tennessee or both, then Florida wouldn't have taken center stage. Maybe you are going to say it was Jeb Bush's fault that Al Gore didn't win the south. Perhaps they knew something that very few other folks knew about, that he was an overbearing arrogant bore and a phony into the bargain.

[Mister Mets]

I'm sure some Democrats will take potshots, but it's unlikely to be a major issue. Jeb Bush did win reelection as Governor comfortably, so he can argue that Floridians didn't think he stole an election.

[WVdemocrat]

It won't be an issue, and it shouldn't be. It would be ridiculous for the Democratic nominee to attack him on that, the Democratic nominee should focus on substance rather than vicious character attacks. By the way, Gore's loss in Florida is much more attributable to the butterfly ballot than to anything Jeb Bush or Katherine Harris did. It's questionable whether or not Gore would have been able to get 538 votes even if Bush and Harris didn't actively sabotage the recount effort. On the other hand, Pat Buchanan himself said that he believed some people voted for him mistakenly thinking they were voting for Al Gore. So because what they did in 2000 probably wouldn't have really affected the outcome anyway, it's a non-issue, and it would backfire on the Democratic nominee to use it in 2016.

[Sumner 1868]

It'll be a word-of-mouth issue, but the Democratic candidate won't bring it up.

[IceSpear]

Not at all.

The things that Atlas thinks matters in a presidential election would be quite amusing on an actual debate stage:

Hillary: Well Jeb, at least I didn't rig a presidential election in Florida.
Jeb: What was that Hillary? I couldn't hear you? Perhaps your hero Barry Goldwater can clarify?
Walker: I wouldn't talk Jeb, your brother's dad attended a gay marriage.
Jeb: At least I have a college degree, dumbass.
Hillary: Burn!
Jeb: Shut it, neoliberal warmonger. I wasn't talking to you.

[© tweed]

9/11 made it go away... if it weren't for 9/11, Gore would've won in 2004. GWB would have been viewed as an anti-pope of sorts, never legitimate.

[Senate Minority Leader Lord Voldemort]

Non-issue.

Florida passed all kinds of voter suppression measures, and it still went Democratic in 2012.

[RFK Jr.’s Brain Worm]

Not at all.

The things that Atlas thinks matters in a presidential election would be quite amusing on an actual debate stage:

Hillary: Well Jeb, at least I didn't rig a presidential election in Florida.
Jeb: What was that Hillary? I couldn't hear you? Perhaps your hero Barry Goldwater can clarify?
Walker: I wouldn't talk Jeb, your brother's dad attended a gay marriage.
Jeb: At least I have a college degree, dumbass.
Hillary: Burn!
Jeb: Shut it, neoliberal warmonger. I wasn't talking to you.

Paul: In the words of my father, "It's happening!"

[Mr. Reactionary]

What fiasco?

[Sumner 1868]

What fiasco?

[heatmaster]

I rest my case...probably some dumb assess took voting for 1 quite literally;  so it's definitely a no brainer to beating that dead horse to death. Anyone can try. But the facts simply are that, the facts!

[NeverAgain]

If we didn't have a butterfly controlling our Presidents, we wouldn't have invaded Iraq for their nectar. *cough* oil *cough*

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

What fiasco?

this one